Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:39:04 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
Subject: [Ux2bs_Archive] No. 114

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Sunday 23 March 2003
 Number  114
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  PDKSH : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
2  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : sma at sohnen-moe.com
3  Re:  PDKSH : Hannes Hromadka <HromadkaJ at gmx.at>
4  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : sma at sohnen-moe.com
5  Re:  Expat : Hannes Hromadka <HromadkaJ at gmx.at>
6   crypt.h & md5.h : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
7  Re:  Expat : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
8  Re:  Expat : Hannes Hromadka <HromadkaJ at gmx.at>
9  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
10  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : Stefan.Neis at t-online.de
11  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
12  Re[2]:  New UX2BS : Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>
13  Re:  New UX2BS : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
14  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : Lyn St George" <lyn at zolotek.net>
15  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
16  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h : John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
17  Re[2]:  fork : Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>
18  Re[2]:  Apache : Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>
19  Re[2]:  Building httpd : Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>

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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:08:47 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:  Re:  PDKSH

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 11:01:43AM +0100, Hannes Hromadka wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 03:28:28PM -0700, Sohnen-Moe Associates, Inc wrote:
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> > On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:15:58 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >Anyone tried building PDKSH?
> > >
> >   Yes, v5.2.14 built with "build pdksh". This is also the version I
> >modified to make "test -x"useful on os/2.
> 
> This is necessary to run configure for Apache2
> 
> Where can I get this version ?
> 
> 
>     Ciao,  Hannes
> 
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I have the patch and will try and include it in UX2BS today.


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:57:44 -0700
From:  sma at sohnen-moe.com
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h


>GNU UFC includes the headers crypt.h and md5.h (as well as
>ufc-crypt.h).
>Should any of these be installed to /usr/include when installing crypt?
>
  Yes. I put these in /usr/local/. It keeps them separate from the
standard stuff, although it can be difficult to say what is "standard"
at times.
  The .h represent the "interface" to the libraries. Compilers get all
twitchy when they cannot find header files.
  You also should update the *INCLUDE* and *LIBRARY* paths to include
/usr/local/include/ and lib/, and PATH to include /usr/loca/bin/.


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:01:43 +0100
From:  Hannes Hromadka <HromadkaJ at gmx.at>
Subject:  Re:  PDKSH

On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 03:28:28PM -0700, Sohnen-Moe Associates, Inc wrote:
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> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:15:58 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> >
> >Anyone tried building PDKSH?
> >
>   Yes, v5.2.14 built with "build pdksh". This is also the version I
>modified to make "test -x"useful on os/2.

This is necessary to run configure for Apache2

Where can I get this version ?


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:00:16 -0700
From:  sma at sohnen-moe.com
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h

>
>Which other apps use crypt() or crypt.h and md5.h?
>
  Apache, PHP, immdiately come to mind. md5 is used by just about
anything that requires authentication.


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:43:23 +0100
From:  Hannes Hromadka <HromadkaJ at gmx.at>
Subject:  Re:  Expat

> >   Yes, v1.95.6 built with "build expat". It used autoconf and libtool a
> > lot.
> 
> That's great. I wonder if there is any way to ensure the build works 
> correctly...

I used it for building Apache2 and Apache had no problems with it.

There is a testsuite included in expat but I do not understand how it
works/tests so I could not understand the results (some steps failed)


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:06:26 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:   crypt.h & md5.h



GNU UFC includes the headers crypt.h and md5.h (as well as ufc-crypt.h).

Should any of these be installed to /usr/include when installing crypt?

I have just built crypt which creates ufc.a and ufc.lib which I intend to 
install in /usr/lib, and it also creates cert.exe, speedf.exe and ufc.exe.
I've never come across these three. Should they be installed in /usr/bin?

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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:22:18 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:  Re:  Expat

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:43:23PM +0100, Hannes Hromadka wrote:
> > >   Yes, v1.95.6 built with "build expat". It used autoconf and libtool a
> > > lot.
> > 
> > That's great. I wonder if there is any way to ensure the build works 
> > correctly...
> 
> I used it for building Apache2 and Apache had no problems with it.

So have you managed to build both version of Apache now?

>     Ciao,  Hannes
> 
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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:47:38 +0100
From:  Hannes Hromadka <HromadkaJ at gmx.at>
Subject:  Re:  Expat

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:22:18PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

> > I used it for building Apache2 and Apache had no problems with it.
> 
> So have you managed to build both version of Apache now?

I did not try to run configure for 1.3.27, I was happy after a
successfull run of make using the supplied makefile in the os/2 distro.

I had the problem with the lib<xx> file. I just copied lib<xx>.a to <xx>.a
(Quick and dirty) 

For Apache2 see my mail to this list from last week

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:34:08 +0100
Subject: Re:  In search of crypt(), Building Apache2
Message-ID: <20030318083408.GA22985 at vies003x.sie.siemens.at>


The main problems are:

test -x not working
using the correct compiler/linker switches

See the files in the build dir of the binary distribution of apache2 as
a reference


CFLAGS = -O2 -Zmt
CXXFLAGS = -O2 -Zmt
LDFLAGS = -s -Zmt -Zcrtdll -Zsysv-signals -Zbin-files


   
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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:48:03 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:43:31PM +0100, Stefan.Neis at t-online.de wrote:

> > Should any of these be installed to /usr/include when
> > installing crypt?
> > I have just built crypt which creates ufc.a and ufc.lib
> > which I intend to 
> > install in /usr/lib, and it also creates cert.exe,
> > speedf.exe and ufc.exe.
> > I've never come across these three. Should they be
> > installed in /usr/bin?
> 
> The real problem rather is, that all those add-ons are not
> at the expected location. I believe most apps will expect
> to find the crypt prototype within pwd.h and the code in
> either the C library (BSD, Posix/2's current CVS) or 
> within libcrypt.a (Solaris, Linux?).
> So I would rather not clutter the standard directories with
> all those non-standard headers/libraries/binaries.

The problem is that I need to build Perl with crypt support...

How do you suggest I do that?


 
>         Regards,
>                  Stefan


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:43:31 +0100 (CET)
From:  Stefan.Neis at t-online.de
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h

      Hi,

> GNU UFC includes the headers crypt.h and md5.h (as well
> as ufc-crypt.h).
> 
> Should any of these be installed to /usr/include when
> installing crypt?
> I have just built crypt which creates ufc.a and ufc.lib
> which I intend to 
> install in /usr/lib, and it also creates cert.exe,
> speedf.exe and ufc.exe.
> I've never come across these three. Should they be
> installed in /usr/bin?

The real problem rather is, that all those add-ons are not
at the expected location. I believe most apps will expect
to find the crypt prototype within pwd.h and the code in
either the C library (BSD, Posix/2's current CVS) or 
within libcrypt.a (Solaris, Linux?).
So I would rather not clutter the standard directories with
all those non-standard headers/libraries/binaries.

        Regards,
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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:32:35 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:57:44AM -0700, sma at sohnen-moe.com wrote:
> 
> >GNU UFC includes the headers crypt.h and md5.h (as well as
> >ufc-crypt.h).
> >Should any of these be installed to /usr/include when installing crypt?
> >
>   Yes. I put these in /usr/local/. It keeps them separate from the
> standard stuff, although it can be difficult to say what is "standard"
> at times.
>   The .h represent the "interface" to the libraries. Compilers get all
> twitchy when they cannot find header files.
>   You also should update the *INCLUDE* and *LIBRARY* paths to include
> /usr/local/include/ and lib/, and PATH to include /usr/loca/bin/.


This is all getting a little messy... If the headers are required but 
provided by something else, I'd rather use that.  crypt() seems to be a 
standard function so I think it would be best to use a posix solution.

I would prefer to have the headers and libs included in Posix/2, but 
unfortunately Perl won't yet build with Posix/2, so I'll need to figure 
out a kludge just for Perl.

Which other apps use crypt() or crypt.h and md5.h?


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:00:35 +0000
From:  Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>
Subject:  Re[2]:  New UX2BS

Hello John,

Saturday, March 1, 2003, 9:02:14 AM, you wrote:

[snip]
JP> Less needs a couple of headers from Xfree to build a particular program, 
JP> but we haven't started on X yet.

Then it should be built --without-X (i.e. pass "--without-X" when
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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:01:35 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:  Re:  New UX2BS

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:00:35PM +0000, Csaba wrote:
> Hello John,
> 
> Saturday, March 1, 2003, 9:02:14 AM, you wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> JP> Less needs a couple of headers from Xfree to build a particular program, 
> JP> but we haven't started on X yet.
> 
> Then it should be built --without-X (i.e. pass "--without-X" when
> running configure)

If you look at the way less is currently built, you see it isn't using 
configure, but the supplied OS/2 Makefile...

I'm not sure if it currently builds using configure...
 
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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:21:00 +0000
From:  "Lyn St George" <lyn at zolotek.net>
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h

On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:32:35 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>>   You also should update the *INCLUDE* and *LIBRARY* paths to include
>> /usr/local/include/ and lib/, and PATH to include /usr/loca/bin/.
>
>
>This is all getting a little messy... If the headers are required but 
>provided by something else, I'd rather use that.  crypt() seems to be a 
>standard function so I think it would be best to use a posix solution.

My own c_include_path has 
f:/usr/test/include;f:/usr/include;f:/usr/local/include;f:/emx/include;f:/xfree86/include
apart from the first 'test' dir the rest ought to be fairly standard, I would
have thought. 
library_path follows the same principle, and LIBPATH also includes 
this same stuff. 

crypt.lib, ufc.lib, crypt.h are all findable by 'which' and hence by any 
app requiring them during the build process

>I would prefer to have the headers and libs included in Posix/2, but 
>unfortunately Perl won't yet build with Posix/2, so I'll need to figure 
>out a kludge just for Perl.
>
>Which other apps use crypt() or crypt.h and md5.h?

Openssl, mod_ssl and similar perhaps??


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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:21:39 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:00:16PM -0700, sma at sohnen-moe.com wrote:
> >
> >Which other apps use crypt() or crypt.h and md5.h?
> >
>   Apache, PHP, immdiately come to mind. md5 is used by just about
> anything that requires authentication.

It would be nice to find a definitive source for md5.h... although I 
suspect this may open up a can of worms...
 


I found one under src/include in OpenBSD but it's nothing like the one in 
GLIBC....



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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:45:53 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
Subject:  Re:  crypt.h & md5.h

On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:21:00PM +0000, Lyn St George wrote:

> crypt.lib, ufc.lib, crypt.h are all findable by 'which' and hence by any 
> app requiring them during the build process
> 
> >I would prefer to have the headers and libs included in Posix/2, but 
> >unfortunately Perl won't yet build with Posix/2, so I'll need to figure 
> >out a kludge just for Perl.
> >
> >Which other apps use crypt() or crypt.h and md5.h?
> 
> Openssl, mod_ssl and similar perhaps??

I just looked at Openssl and that has it's own local md5.h and looking at  
GNUUFC the md5.h there is also a local file, so maybe it doesn't need to 
be included as a standard header.

As for crypt.h, a quick trip to Google shows that *BSD users have problems 
locating crypt.h too... Isn't there some other package besides GLIBC which 
contains it? 
 
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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:06:17 +0000
From:  Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>
Subject:  Re[2]:  fork

Hello Ken,

Sunday, March 9, 2003, 2:33:40 AM, you wrote:

KA> I find it simply amazing with all the really good os2 system programmers 
KA> out there that one of them has not implemented a decent fork. Henry 
KA> Sabotka, Holger Veit, Knut St.Osmundsen, Sam Detweiler..... just to name 
KA> a few.

It is, of course, left as an exercise for the reader :-)

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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:11:42 +0000
From:  Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>
Subject:  Re[2]:  Apache

Hello John,

Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:52:16 PM, you wrote:

JP> AIUI v2 takes advantage of threads and is much better suited to an OS/2
JP> environment, although from what you say it may not yet be ready for 
JP> primetime...

It's been good enough for apache.org for several months now :-)
I have to admit that I never managed to build Apache 2.x on OS/2
whereas building 1.3.x was relatively painless. Of course, this was
about a year ago when the build system still had teething problems,
plus I'm usually trigger-happy when it comes to installing things,
which probably resulted in my build environment being, umm, unique :-)

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Date:  Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:19:37 +0000
From:  Csaba <adwx88 at uk.uumail.com>
Subject:  Re[2]:  Building httpd

Hello John,

Monday, March 17, 2003, 10:26:03 AM, you wrote:

JP> Maybe it would be easier to start by building an older version such v1.3.x
JP> which is well documented here:-
JP> http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/building.html

Note that 1.3.x uses a mixture of autoconf and its own (or its own
which mimics autoconf), whereas 2.x has "embraced the dark side" i.e.
autoconf to the death :-)
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