Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:04:39 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 664 ************************************************** Friday 09 December 2005 Number 664 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Zope : John Poltorak 2 Re: Zope : Christian Hennecke" 3 Re: Zope : John Poltorak 4 Re: Zope; Now Typo3 : Bill Nicholls 5 Re: DosLoadModule problem : Knut St. Osmundsen" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:55:09 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Zope On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 02:49:58PM +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote: > On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:16:00 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > >> >> >Is anyone else interested in using Zope? > >> >> > >> >> I am - as a CMS. However, it seems all very complicated to me compared > >> >> to other solutions. > >> > > >> >It is very complicated, although you should see it as a challenge :-) > >> > >> Well, I'm doing web design for a living and so there is a certain > >> "return of investment" threshold. Currently, things like Joomla or > >> Typo3 seem more interesting from a business view point. Also, Typo 3 is > >> documented *way* better. I know that Zope can be more that just a CMS > >> but you have to look at what your customers want. > > > >Which of these do you prefer? I take it they are all PHP based... > > Yes, they are, plus MySQL. (Typo 3 also uses some libraries and tools > that have to exist in "native" format.) > > It's not a matter of preference. Joomla and Typo 3 have different > target groups. Typo 3 is really *huge*. I wouldn't use it for small > sites. That would be like writing a small note like "don't forget to > buy milk" with StarOffice. Is it possible to use Typo3 on OS/2? I tried installing it but the frontpage came up blank when I accessed it. I'm stilling looking at PHP CMS's to see how easy any of them are to use, and would welcome anyone's views. > Christian Hennecke > -- John **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:20:48 +0100 (CET) From: "Christian Hennecke" Subject: Re: Zope On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:55:09 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Is it possible to use Typo3 on OS/2? > >I tried installing it but the frontpage came up blank when I accessed it. There was a presentation about this at Warpstock Europe. See: http://www.os4you.de/typo3goesos2en.html Christian Hennecke **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:02:34 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Zope On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:20:48PM +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote: > On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:55:09 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > >Is it possible to use Typo3 on OS/2? > > > >I tried installing it but the frontpage came up blank when I accessed it. > > There was a presentation about this at Warpstock Europe. See: > > http://www.os4you.de/typo3goesos2en.html Looks interesting... but quite involved... I'd be interested in trying to create a script to install this lot automatically. Where am I likely to find anyone who has Typo3 working on OS/2? > Christian Hennecke > -- John **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:23:49 -0800 From: Bill Nicholls Subject: Re: Zope; Now Typo3 Well down in the instructions is the following: ================================ 3.2 My Rexx method: Downloading, unzipping and modifying TYPO3-Quickstart automatically For this method you need my Rexx-script-pack GetTypo3forOS2_1_15.zip, please download and unzip it to the folder \htdocs\ of your installed Apache/2. Then read the GetTypo3forOS2Readme.txt and call the built-in help with the following command line entry GetTypo3forOS2.cmd -h [Omitted]Image 1: GetTypo3forOS2 in action - built-in help All you have to do for downloading from a European site and making automatically the neccessary modifications of TYPO3-Quickstart-3.8.0 to eComStation is a command line call GetTypo3forOS2.cmd -exec " ================================= BillN John Poltorak wrote: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:20:48PM +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote: > >>On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:55:09 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >> >> >>>Is it possible to use Typo3 on OS/2? >>> >>>I tried installing it but the frontpage came up blank when I accessed it. >> >>There was a presentation about this at Warpstock Europe. See: >> >>http://www.os4you.de/typo3goesos2en.html > > > Looks interesting... but quite involved... > > I'd be interested in trying to create a script to install this lot > automatically. Where am I likely to find anyone who has Typo3 working on > OS/2? > > > >>Christian Hennecke >> > > > **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:09:18 +0100 From: "Knut St. Osmundsen" Subject: Re: DosLoadModule problem Dave Yeo wrote: > On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:21:05 +1030, Paul Smedley wrote: > > >> I'm currently grappling with loading Apache2 modules dynamically. > > > Wonder how hard it would be to change over to loading ELF modules? > This is the way XFree86 dynamicaly loads modules It wouldn't be all that difficult and it's a thing libc should be doing in that case. The most difficult bit would be to provide an ELF based toolchain, this is on my plate at the moment and shouldn't be all that difficult I hope. We have (InnoTek) several PE, ELF (relocatable only atm) and LX loader implementations, glibc & uclibc have full ELF loader implementations too IIRC. The down sides of doing a R3 loader in OS/2 are: - no mmap api. So, the full module have to be loaded at once, meaning that more physical memory is committed and more time is spend reading (see below). - The module would be totally invisible to the OS/2 kernel. This means that none of the OS/2 debuggers will know about it making debugging more difficult. - For GUI applications using your own LX loader means that resources are not accessible to PM. On the positive side: - skip the page-by-page loading of the OS/2 kernel. This may have significan effect on startup time despite the extra reading during module loading. Just look at the startup times for the two 1.4 JVMs - It would be possible (and preferable) to load module into high memory, thus saving precious address space below 512MB. - No 8.3 limit to DLL names. - We can load LX, a.out, ELF, PE and you name it. I'm not certain if it's worth spending a lot of time on this yet, at least not until I've had fun implementing LX support in binutils and build an ELF based toolchain using ELFOMF. Kind Regards, knut