Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:05:20 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 578 ************************************************** Wednesday 06 July 2005 Number 578 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : Steven Levine" 2 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : Steven Levine" 3 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : billn 4 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : John Poltorak 5 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : John Poltorak 6 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : Steven Levine" 7 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : billn 8 Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem : IanM" 9 Re: CPAN : John Poltorak 10 Re: Subversion : Brian Havard" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:04:18 -0700 From: "Steven Levine" Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem In <42C55F26.4070905 at anecho.mb.ca>, on 07/01/05 at 10:20 AM, Jeff Robinson said: >I'd like some sort've framework where people could add their own >information or easily submit changes so that someone could update their >pages. If I were going to do this, I would give serious thought to installing one of the available wikis. These are pretty much the current defacto standard tool for group website maintenance. Of course, the real issue with any of this is that folks have to find the time and interest to make the updates. Regards, Steven -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.67 #10183 Warp4.something/14.100c_W4 www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:08:21 -0700 From: "Steven Levine" Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem In <20050702101910.B56 at warpix.org>, on 07/02/05 at 10:19 AM, John Poltorak said: >I would like to think that once the correct build infrastructure is in >place that most apps would be self maintaining... Is this just a >pipedream? Yes. The only thing that will make it easier is if the OS/2 specific patches flow back to the core maintainers in a form that they are willing to incorporate into the base code. This has two effects. First, fewer platform specific patches in us2bx or the equivalent. Second, and more important, less chance that a base code change will break OS/2 specific code because the OS/2 specific code will be visible to the maintainers. Maintainers do not break the OS/2 (or any platform specific port for that matter) ports on purpose. It happens because the platform specific dependencies are mostly invisible to them. Regards, Steven -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.67 #10183 Warp4.something/14.100c_W4 www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:38:00 -0700 From: billn Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem There is a new build tool available, name temp forgotten, that not only builds but has web and other update capability built in. Aha! A quick check in my email shows it is Maven: http://maven.apache.org/start/download.html > Maven is a project management and project comprehension tool. Maven is > based on the concept of a project object model: builds, documentation > creation, site publication, and distribution publication are all > controlled from the project object model. Maven also provides tools to > create source metrics, change logs based directly on source repository, > and source cross-references. My suggestion is that rather than make a complex human setup for support, that we use Maven and set up a compatible website for documentation and feedback. If this can be done, then the whole app. development process can be handled by one person without a great anount of extra work. This would multiple our effectiveness and make it possible to provide a wider application support for OS/2 and eCS. If we also smooth out the build infrastructure, we will have a much more useful environment to work in, which was my primary objective back at the start of this discussion. Thanks to all the feedback, it is clear we are making progress towards a better solution. BillN Steven Levine wrote: > > In <42C55F26.4070905 at anecho.mb.ca>, on 07/01/05 > at 10:20 AM, Jeff Robinson said: > > >I'd like some sort've framework where people could add their own > >information or easily submit changes so that someone could update their > >pages. > > If I were going to do this, I would give serious thought to installing one > of the available wikis. These are pretty much the current defacto > standard tool for group website maintenance. > > Of course, the real issue with any of this is that folks have to find the > time and interest to make the updates. > > Regards, > > Steven > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.67 #10183 Warp4.something/14.100c_W4 > www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:52:22 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 10:04:18AM -0700, Steven Levine wrote: > In <42C55F26.4070905 at anecho.mb.ca>, on 07/01/05 > at 10:20 AM, Jeff Robinson said: > > >I'd like some sort've framework where people could add their own > >information or easily submit changes so that someone could update their > >pages. > > If I were going to do this, I would give serious thought to installing one > of the available wikis. These are pretty much the current defacto > standard tool for group website maintenance. > > Of course, the real issue with any of this is that folks have to find the > time and interest to make the updates. I've never liked or trusted wikis because because you can get piles of entries relating to some subjects, and not all of it useful or even correct. > Regards, > > Steven > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.67 #10183 Warp4.something/14.100c_W4 > www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- John **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:13:39 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 10:38:00AM -0700, billn wrote: > There is a new build tool available, name temp forgotten, that not only > builds but has web and other update capability built in. > > Aha! A quick check in my email shows it is Maven: > http://maven.apache.org/start/download.html > > Maven is a project management and project comprehension tool. Maven is > > based on the concept of a project object model: builds, documentation > > creation, site publication, and distribution publication are all > > controlled from the project object model. Maven also provides tools to > > create source metrics, change logs based directly on source repository, > > and source cross-references. > > My suggestion is that rather than make a complex human setup for > support, that we use Maven and set up a compatible website for > documentation and feedback. Would you like to take the lead on setting up Maven? Getting a standard infrastructure to work *for OS/2* is a lot of hard work but if you think that you can take an off the peg package and make it work, please feel free to do so. I'll be interested to see how you go on with maintaining Perl... > If this can be done, then the whole app. development process can be > handled by one person without a great anount of extra work. This would > multiple our effectiveness and make it possible to provide a wider > application support for OS/2 and eCS. > > If we also smooth out the build infrastructure, we will have a much more > useful environment to work in, which was my primary objective back at > the start of this discussion. Thanks to all the feedback, it is clear we > are making progress towards a better solution. > > BillN -- John **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:29:06 -0700 From: "Steven Levine" Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem In <20050705195222.U73 at warpix.org>, on 07/05/05 at 07:52 PM, John Poltorak said: >I've never liked or trusted wikis because because you can get piles of >entries relating to some subjects, and not all of it useful or even >correct. Sounds just like the Internet to me. Of course, if the alternative is no content at all, you might want to reconsider. There are plenty of wiki's out there that allow you to control who can contribute what. This is what we do at the eCS developers wiki. See: http://ewiki.ecomstation.nl/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage Regards, Steven -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.67 #10183 Warp4.something/14.100c_W4 www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:58:45 -0700 From: billn Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem I figured you would 'suggest' that I take this on. :-} But I'd already decided to. After checking out the web site, I decided that the revised and rewritten Mavin 2.0, now in alpha status, is the right one to work with. Remember that I still have a bunch of stuff to do first. My W2K server is back up, but not recognizing the 250 GB drive, nor all applications reinstalled. The FreeBSD is back up, and the initial install of the security system is now working. That's not halfway yet, but it is progress. Then I have to setup GCC 3.3.5b5 and find out how much I don't know. BillN John Poltorak wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 10:38:00AM -0700, billn wrote: > > There is a new build tool available, name temp forgotten, that not only > > builds but has web and other update capability built in. > > > > Aha! A quick check in my email shows it is Maven: > > http://maven.apache.org/start/download.html > > > Maven is a project management and project comprehension tool. Maven is > > > based on the concept of a project object model: builds, documentation > > > creation, site publication, and distribution publication are all > > > controlled from the project object model. Maven also provides tools to > > > create source metrics, change logs based directly on source repository, > > > and source cross-references. > > > > My suggestion is that rather than make a complex human setup for > > support, that we use Maven and set up a compatible website for > > documentation and feedback. > > Would you like to take the lead on setting up Maven? > > Getting a standard infrastructure to work *for OS/2* is a lot of hard work > but if you think that you can take an off the peg package and make it > work, please feel free to do so. > > I'll be interested to see how you go on with maintaining Perl... > > > > If this can be done, then the whole app. development process can be > > handled by one person without a great anount of extra work. This would > > multiple our effectiveness and make it possible to provide a wider > > application support for OS/2 and eCS. > > > > If we also smooth out the build infrastructure, we will have a much more > > useful environment to work in, which was my primary objective back at > > the start of this discussion. Thanks to all the feedback, it is clear we > > are making progress towards a better solution. > > > > BillN > > -- > John **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:40:51 +1000 (EST) From: "IanM" Subject: Re: The OS/2 and eCS Ecosystem I'm actually looking at blogs/wiki's at present for someone else, as well as a new list archiving format. And I definitely welcome any suggestions on what works well under OS/2 :) On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:04:18 -0700, Steven Levine wrote: > In <42C55F26.4070905 at anecho.mb.ca>, on 07/01/05 > at 10:20 AM, Jeff Robinson said: > > >I'd like some sort've framework where people could add their own > >information or easily submit changes so that someone could update their > >pages. > > If I were going to do this, I would give serious thought to installing one > of the available wikis. These are pretty much the current defacto > standard tool for group website maintenance. > > Of course, the real issue with any of this is that folks have to find the > time and interest to make the updates. > > Regards, > > Steven > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.67 #10183 Warp4.something/14.100c_W4 > www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Cheers IanM http://www.os2site.com/ Air conditioned environment - Do not open Windows. **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:07:15 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: CPAN On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:50:00AM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:11:05 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > > Do you have a URL for ncftp? > > IIRC my favorite build is http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/ftp/client/ncftp3beta19os2.zip. There is also a newer one around that I didn't like quite as much though it is more complete Any ideas on how to set up ncftp for use via a proxy? The docs mention using a file called $HOME/.ncftp/firewall but no indication is given about its contents. > Dave > -- John **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:59:51 +1000 (EST) From: "Brian Havard" Subject: Re: Subversion On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:49:02 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 11:19:42PM +1000, Brian Havard wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:35:54 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >> >> > >> >A server of SUBVERSION has just been released and is available here:- >> > >> >http://silk.apana.org.au/subversion/ >> > >> >Does anyone know how to get it working in INETD mode? >> >> I doubt that's going to work without significant mods to svnserve as it >> expects to communicate using stdin/stdout when started in inetd mode and, >> if I remember correctly, OS/2's inetd works a bit differently due to the >> fact that sockets and file handles aren't interchangable. > >I guess SVNSERVE would have the same problems as IMAPD/IPOPD. > >Is this information relevant to using SVNSERVE with INETD:- ? > >http://www.zeta.org.au/~nps/software/pine/lib/UWIMAPD.OS2 Yeah, that matches my vague memory of how it works. However, this isn't something I'm really motivated to work on. I'm mainly interested in the client as I need to use it myself now that apache.org has converted to subversion. >> I only tried it in daemon mode. It must be run multithreaded (-T) to work >> as it's built in OMF mode so no fork(). > >I'll try and get it set up. Presumably the standard docs should apply to >the OS/2 version... yep. >> BTW, I've just got v1.2.0 to build cleanly & will release it when I've >> tested it for a bit. I've just put a build on my web site of 1.2.1 which just got released. Seems ok but I haven't done more than a few simple tests. >Will there be any build instructions? Not yet, but I'm working on getting my changes into the upstream code. I hope to have it building "out of the box" eventually. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ | Brian Havard | "He is not the messiah! | | brianh at kheldar.apana.org.au | He's a very naughty boy!" - Life of Brian | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------