Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:04:20 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 501 ************************************************** Thursday 13 January 2005 Number 501 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Mailing list : John Poltorak 2 Re: Mailing list : John Poltorak 3 OpenSSL maintenance : John Poltorak 4 Re: OpenSSL maintenance : Dave Yeo" 5 Re: WGET : Dave Yeo" 6 biew on OS/2 : John Poltorak 7 Re: WGET : John Poltorak 8 S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : John Poltorak 9 Re: Apache Portable Runtime Project : Steven Levine" 10 Re: biew on OS/2 : Steven Levine" 11 Re: Bridge software : Steven Levine" 12 Re: biew on OS/2 : Steve Wendt 13 Re: Bridge software : Steve Wendt 14 Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : Dave Yeo" 15 Re: WGET : Dave Yeo" 16 Re: WGET : Dave Yeo" 17 Re: biew on OS/2 : John Poltorak 18 Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : Yuri Dario" 19 Re: WGET : John Poltorak 20 Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : John Poltorak 21 Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : John Poltorak 22 Webmin progress : John Poltorak 23 Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : Stefan.Neis at t-online.de 24 PDMENU : John Poltorak 25 Re: Webmin progress : Lyn St George" 26 Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : Yuri Dario" 27 Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 : John Poltorak 28 Re: Problem running Autoconf : John Poltorak **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:50:00 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Mailing list Apologies if anyone has sent mail to the list over the last day or so and not seen any sign of it. I've been trying to migrate my system to a larger disk and (not unexpectedly...) a few problems arose. The old disk wich is still in use sounds like someone playing the cymbals and given that it's 10 years old, it probably won't last much longer. Is there any way to check the state of its health from within OS/2? Any posts which have not made it so far may well have been queue on another server so may appear a little later than expected. -- John **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:27:35 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Mailing list On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:50:00PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > Any posts which have not made it so far may well have been queue on > another server so may appear a little later than expected. If I can ever get my mail server working again... **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:33:35 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: OpenSSL maintenance I found out from the OpenSSL developer's list that none of the developers use OS/2 so no changes are ever tested out on our platform. I got the impression the would gladly accomodate out requirements if feedback was provided, so I guess that means someone grabbing a beta from time to time and seeing if it builds and passes any available tests. Don't suppose we can have someone to volunteer to be the OS/2 tester for OpenSSL... -- John **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:02:16 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: Re: OpenSSL maintenance On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:33:35 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >I found out from the OpenSSL developer's list that none of the developers >use OS/2 so no changes are ever tested out on our platform. I got the >impression the would gladly accomodate out requirements if feedback was >provided, so I guess that means someone grabbing a beta from time to time >and seeing if it builds and passes any available tests. > >Don't suppose we can have someone to volunteer to be the OS/2 tester for >OpenSSL... I'll check it out. Really developers want you to check out the cvs versions if you have fixes or bug-reports Dave **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:00:58 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: Re: WGET On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:45:25 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > >I've been trying to build various versions of WGET but without any success >at all. Has anyone else been successful? Resending due to mailing list problems I can build v1.9 with my own enviroment. v1.9+cvs is currently broken. The fix is to move src/string.h to wstring.h Dave ps I'll try with ux2bs soon **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:48:15 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: biew on OS/2 I came across an interesting article about OS/2 support being dropped from biew:- http://biew.sourceforge.net/en/os2_vs_biew.html Can't say I'm at all familiar with biew although it looks like an interesting program. Is the OS/2 support something that can be taken over by the OS/2 community? It sounds as though it should be possible to build it straight from source, at least that is what the author implies... Anyone tried building it? -- John **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:55:41 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: WGET On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 12:00:58PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:45:25 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > >I've been trying to build various versions of WGET but without any success > >at all. Has anyone else been successful? > > Resending due to mailing list problems > > I can build v1.9 with my own enviroment. v1.9+cvs is currently broken. The fix is to move src/string.h to wstring.h > Dave > ps I'll try with ux2bs soon Don't you get this problem:- emx\include\netdb.h:123: parse error before `int' when compiling host.c ? -- John **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:26:27 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 Is there any reason we can't have a verion of this:- http://smartlinux.sourceforge.net/ -- John **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:44 -0800 From: "Steven Levine" Subject: Re: Apache Portable Runtime Project In <20050110164524.O51 at warpix.org>, on 01/10/05 at 04:45 PM, John Poltorak said: >Since I didn't specify the '--with-apr' parameter I don't know why it is > incorrect, what the options are, or what is hould be set to. >Anyone else know? I suspect Brian Havard does since his is the OS/2 maintainer. I recommend you ask him via the apache/2 list or directly. HTH, Steven -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.60b #10183 Warp4/FP15/14.100c_W4 www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:11:49 -0800 From: "Steven Levine" Subject: Re: biew on OS/2 In <20050112214815.G18360 at warpix.org>, on 01/12/05 at 09:48 PM, John Poltorak said: >Is the OS/2 support something that can be taken over > by the OS/2 community? What makes you think is has not been? According to the web page, Max built 5.50. Have you thought to contact him and ask what his plans are for continued updates? Steven -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.60b #10183 Warp4/FP15/14.100c_W4 www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:13:58 -0800 From: "Steven Levine" Subject: Re: Bridge software In <20050111102758.H48 at warpix.org>, on 01/11/05 at 10:27 AM, John Poltorak said: >OS/2 differs from Linux in that it doesn't have all it's drivers compiled > into the kernel, it uses seperate device drivers with network protocol >drivers being part of MPTS. This is incorrect. Linux support loadable drivers. It even support unloading a driver. Drivers are compile into the kernel when it is convenient. >I don't know whether there is any commonality > between Linux and OS/2 network protocol drivers, but I thought there may > be some... They both implement the same protocols. :-) Beyond that the driver models differ quite a bit. Steven -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.60b #10183 Warp4/FP15/14.100c_W4 www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Wendt Subject: Re: biew on OS/2 On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Steven Levine wrote: >> Is the OS/2 support something that can be taken over >> by the OS/2 community? > > What makes you think is has not been? According to the web page, Max > built 5.50. Have you thought to contact him and ask what his plans are > for continued updates? Plans are to continue, as far as I can tell; even the latest 5.6.2 has an OS/2 binary available. **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Wendt Subject: Re: Bridge software On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Steven Levine wrote: > This is incorrect. Linux support loadable drivers. It even support > unloading a driver. Drivers are compile into the kernel when it is > convenient. Ah, but Linux doesn't support *binary* loadable drivers. It has to be compiled for the right kernel. That's a major drawback for end-users that want to use drivers that aren't part of the stock kernel. **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:00:19 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:26:27 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > >Is there any reason we can't have a verion of this:- > >http://smartlinux.sourceforge.net/ > Tried to send this link earlier, it bounced http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/disk/smartmon.zip. Is sort of the same idea I think Dave **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:00:28 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: Re: WGET On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:55:41 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Don't you get this problem:- > > emx\include\netdb.h:123: parse error before `int' > > >when compiling host.c ? Only when using ux2bs. The differences in src/config.h are ux2bs has HAVE_BUILTIN_MD5 I have HAVE_DLFCN_H HAVE_GETTEXT HAVE_LIBCRYPTO (-lcrypto) HAVE_LIBINTL_H HAVE_LIBSSL (-lssl) HAVE_NLS HAVE_OPENSSL_MD5 HAVE_SSL I'd guess that is something todo with SSL that is allowing me to finish. Unluckily wget-cvs does not build on EMX anymore due to the lack of wchar.h (not in posix2 either). wchar.h was added to ANSI C later then most headers and it seems the Mac doesn't have it either. Will look for a workaround and also continue tests with ux2bs to see whats missing Dave **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:30:30 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: Re: WGET On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:55:41 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Don't you get this problem:- > > emx\include\netdb.h:123: parse error before `int' > > >when compiling host.c ? The fix is to remove #ifndef WINDOWS #include #endif around line 33 in src/host.c There is another include a little further down the file after include Funny this problem only happens without openssl Dave **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:33:33 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: biew on OS/2 On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 03:11:49PM -0800, Steven Levine wrote: > In <20050112214815.G18360 at warpix.org>, on 01/12/05 > at 09:48 PM, John Poltorak said: > > >Is the OS/2 support something that can be taken over > > by the OS/2 community? > > What makes you think is has not been? According to the web page, Max > built 5.50. In fact, an OS/2 binary of the most recent version if available at sourceforge which I was not initially aware of. > Have you thought to contact him and ask what his plans are > for continued updates? That's a good idea. > Steven > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.60b #10183 Warp4/FP15/14.100c_W4 > www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- John **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:45:56 +0100 (CET) From: "Yuri Dario" Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 Hi John, >Is there any reason we can't have a verion of this:- >http://smartlinux.sourceforge.net/ I think because it is a bootable floppy, and we already have them ;-) BTW monitoring the hd is done by smartmontools, which already have OS/2 support (check hobbes). Bye, Yuri Dario /* * member of TeamOS/2 - Italy * http://www.os2power.com/yuri * http://www.teamos2.it */ **= Email 19 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:52:00 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: WGET On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:00:28PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:55:41 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > >Don't you get this problem:- > > > > emx\include\netdb.h:123: parse error before `int' > > > > > >when compiling host.c ? > > Only when using ux2bs. Are you running Autoconf? ux2bs is currently set up to suppress Autoconf for WGET since it worked without it at one point. To enable Autoconf to run you need to delete the wget file from scripts\pre-conf. > The differences in src/config.h are > ux2bs has HAVE_BUILTIN_MD5 > I have > HAVE_DLFCN_H > HAVE_GETTEXT > HAVE_LIBCRYPTO (-lcrypto) > HAVE_LIBINTL_H > HAVE_LIBSSL (-lssl) > HAVE_NLS > HAVE_OPENSSL_MD5 > HAVE_SSL Here's what I get:- HAVE_ALLOCA_H HAVE_NLS HAVE_SYS_TIME_H HAVE_STRUCT_UTIMBUF HAVE_UNAME HAVE_GETHOSTNAME HAVE_SELECT HAVE_GETTIMEOFDAY HAVE_STRDUP HAVE_SYS_UTSNAME_H HAVE_STRERROR HAVE_SNPRINTF HAVE_VSNPRINTF HAVE_STRSTR HAVE_STRCASECMP HAVE_STRNCASECMP HAVE_STRPBRK HAVE_MEMMOVE HAVE_STRPTIME HAVE_MKTIME HAVE_SYMLINK HAVE_ACCESS HAVE_ISATTY HAVE_SIGNAL HAVE_SIGSETJMP HAVE_SIGBLOCK HAVE_GETTEXT HAVE_USLEEP HAVE_STRING_H HAVE_STDARG_H HAVE_UNISTD_H HAVE_UTIME_H HAVE_SYS_UTIME_H HAVE_TERMIOS_H HAVE_SYS_IOCTL_H HAVE_SYS_SELECT_H HAVE_PWD_H HAVE_SIGNAL_H HAVE_SETJMP_H HAVE_LIBINTL_H HAVE_LOCALE_H HAVE_SSL HAVE_MD5 HAVE_OPENSSL_MD5 HAVE_U_INT32_T > I'd guess that is something todo with SSL that is allowing me to finish. > > Unluckily wget-cvs does not build on EMX anymore due to the lack of wchar.h (not in posix2 either). wchar.h was added to ANSI C later then most headers and it seems the Mac doesn't have it either. Will look for a workaround and also continue tests with ux2bs to see whats missing It would be nice to get a standard build for v1.9. The cvs version may not come out for some time... > Dave > -- John **= Email 20 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:13:26 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 10:45:56AM +0100, Yuri Dario wrote: > Hi John, > > >Is there any reason we can't have a verion of this:- > >http://smartlinux.sourceforge.net/ > > I think because it is a bootable floppy, and we already have them ;-) Only if you have a floppy disk attached ;-)... Most of my machines don't. In any case, what I would like to do is schedule a cron job periodically to check the state of my disks. One of the disks in my server sounds really poorly but still functions fine. I'd like to see what state it is in without bringing the server down. > BTW monitoring the hd is done by smartmontools, which already have OS/2 support (check > hobbes). We do have a choice of *two* programs - smartmon, and also smartctl which is included in the DANIS506 drivers, but they only work with IDE. I don't see anything for SCSI. I've only just come across the smartmontools project on sourceforge:- http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ It sounds very interesting and it's good to see a familiar name ;-) > > Bye, > > Yuri Dario > > /* > * member of TeamOS/2 - Italy > * http://www.os2power.com/yuri > * http://www.teamos2.it > */ -- John **= Email 21 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:30:24 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:00:19PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:26:27 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > >Is there any reason we can't have a verion of this:- > > > >http://smartlinux.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Tried to send this link earlier, it bounced > http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/disk/smartmon.zip. Is sort of the same idea I think I've just looked at smartmon, but there is no indication of whether the work is based on the open source project or whether it is an independent development. However there is an OS/2 port of smartctl by Daniela Engert but no source code or patches are provided. The program is included with the DANI drivers and I don't know if they are required to be able to use it... > Dave > > -- John **= Email 22 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:48:44 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Webmin progress Has there been any progress on establishing a stable environment for running Webmin? I can get it up and running but haven't figured out a way of doing anything with it yet - would love to explore the cpan module and maybe try to get the Apache and Bind8 modules working... -- John **= Email 23 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:56:37 +0100 (CET) From: Stefan.Neis at t-online.de Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 John Poltorak schrieb: > In any case, what I would like to do is schedule a cron > job periodically > to check the state of my disks. One of the disks in my > server sounds > really poorly but still functions fine. Note that those tools are essentially displaying information collected by your hard disk - which requires relatively "recent" hard disks ... Regards, Stefan **= Email 24 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:33:49 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: PDMENU Looking at the apps which use the SLANG library listed here:- http://www.s-lang.org/apps.html there is a recent addition of this menuing program, pdmenu:- http://kitenet.net/programs/pdmenu/ I guess this should build on OS/2 if SLANG can be built... Anyone tried? -- John **= Email 25 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:34:44 +0000 (GMT) From: "Lyn St George" Subject: Re: Webmin progress On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:48:44 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > >Has there been any progress on establishing a stable environment for >running Webmin? > >I can get it up and running but haven't figured out a way of doing >anything with it yet - would love to explore the cpan module and maybe try >to get the Apache and Bind8 modules working... The whole thing except for the cpan module runs for me. I haven't really had time to investigate deeply, but I suspect that it's either the perl version or the environment that is the root cause. It used to work - don't you hate it when something works one day but not the next ... I'll try to make some time tonight. >-- >John > > > > > - Lyn **= Email 26 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:56:54 +0100 (CET) From: "Yuri Dario" Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 Hi, >> I think because it is a bootable floppy, and we already have them ;-) >Only if you have a floppy disk attached ;-)... Most of my machines don't. from smartlinux home: S.M.A.R.T. Linux is a bootable floppy distribution containing tool (smartmontools) for monitoring IDE/SCSI hard disks (using Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology). Why floppy? Probably because all other distributions containing this useful utility are CD versions [and not everybody has a CD-ROM ;)] so we don't need smartlinux. We need only the monitoring code. >We do have a choice of *two* programs - smartmon, and also smartctl which >is included in the DANIS506 drivers, but they only work with IDE. I don't >see anything for SCSI. smartmontools includes Daniela code (she sent me the relevant parts of code); but her program is based on smartsuite (currently abbandoned). Smartmontools developers took smartsuite code and enhanced it. Adding code for SCSI should be rather trivial. Bye, Yuri Dario /* * member of TeamOS/2 - Italy * http://www.os2power.com/yuri * http://www.teamos2.it */ **= Email 27 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:17:30 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. OS/2 On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 12:56:54PM +0100, Yuri Dario wrote: > Hi, > > >> I think because it is a bootable floppy, and we already have them ;-) > >Only if you have a floppy disk attached ;-)... Most of my machines don't. > > from smartlinux home: > > S.M.A.R.T. Linux is a bootable floppy distribution containing tool (smartmontools) for monitoring > IDE/SCSI hard disks (using Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology). Why floppy? > Probably because all other distributions containing this useful utility are CD versions [and not > everybody has a CD-ROM ;)] > > so we don't need smartlinux. We need only the monitoring code. I see - I just saw SMART as the whole project including monitoring code. > >We do have a choice of *two* programs - smartmon, and also smartctl which > >is included in the DANIS506 drivers, but they only work with IDE. I don't > >see anything for SCSI. > > smartmontools includes Daniela code (she sent me the relevant parts of code); but her program > is based on smartsuite (currently abbandoned). Smartmontools developers took smartsuite > code and enhanced it. So do we have anything complete with source that anyone can build on OS/2? > Adding code for SCSI should be rather trivial. Only in the right hands ;-)... Will it need to use ASPIROUT.SYS ? > > > Bye, > > Yuri Dario > > /* > * member of TeamOS/2 - Italy > * http://www.os2power.com/yuri > * http://www.teamos2.it > */ -- John **= Email 28 ==========================** Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:26:01 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Problem running Autoconf On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 11:19:37PM +0100, Andreas Buening wrote: > John Poltorak wrote: > > > Do you know if it is possible to set something like:- ? > > > > EMXSHELL='/bin/sh -x' > > I don't think so, but I don't know. I couldn't get this to work, but eventually changed Autoconf so that it started in verbose mode by adding '-s' to the first line. Here is what I got immediately before the error:- + outfile=configure + test -z configure + eval set $AUTOM4TE --language=autoconf --output=$outfile $infile + set /usr/local/bin/autom4te --language=autoconf --output=configure configure.in + : autoconf: running /usr/local/bin/autom4te --language=autoconf --output=configure configure.in + >&2 + exec /usr/local/bin/autom4te --language=autoconf --output=configure configure.in SYS1041: The name . is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. autoconf finished So it looks as though the error actually occurs in autom4te, but that is a Perl script and I don't know how to make it create verbose output... Any suggestions? > > Bye, > Andreas -- John