Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:04:18 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 422 ************************************************** Tuesday 19 October 2004 Number 422 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Subversion : John Poltorak 2 Re: Subversion : Steven Levine" 3 Re: Native port of OpenOffice...possible? : Kris Steenhaut 4 (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status : Dave Yeo" 5 Re: Zlib 1.2.1 : Dave Yeo" 6 Re: Accessing AF_UNIX sockets from Python : Andrew MacIntyre 7 Re: (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status : Kris Steenhaut 8 Re: (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status : John Poltorak 9 Re: Accessing AF_UNIX sockets from Python : John Poltorak 10 Re: Zlib 1.2.1 : John Poltorak 11 Re: (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status : Alexander Newman 12 Re: Subversion : Alexander Newman 1 Re: Zlib 1.2.1 : Stefan.Neis at t-online.de 14 Re: Zlib 1.2.1 : Stefan.Neis at t-online.de **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:18:43 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Subversion On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:59:15PM +1000, Brian Havard wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:03:25 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >I remember someone asking about Subversion a few months ago and have just > >noticed an OS/2 port here:- > > > >http://silk.apana.org.au/pub/svn/svn-os2-1.1-20041009.zip > > > > > >It's described as 'alpha' quality so I guess some feedback on performance > >would be welcomed... > > Yes, some feedback would be nice. Although it works fine for me I haven't > done much more than a few checkouts/updates/diff/log/info/status. Use of > the local file system repository is only minimally tested. It would be nice to see a primer on subversion just to see how to go about creating a project and checking stuff in and out. I looked here:- http://subversion.tigris.org/ but didn't see anything. It seems as though the product is geared towards people who already are familiar with version control systems, but I suspect many people are not. I often think I should put changes to CONFIG.SYS through some sort of version control but never do... How would I use subversion for something like this? > > -- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > | Brian Havard | "He is not the messiah! | > | brianh at kheldar.apana.org.au | He's a very naughty boy!" - Life of Brian | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- John **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:37:47 -0700 From: "Steven Levine" Subject: Re: Subversion In <20041018151842.S84 at warpix.org>, on 10/18/04 at 03:18 PM, John Poltorak said: >It would be nice to see a primer on subversion just to see how to go >about creating a project and checking stuff in and out. I looked here:- What's wrong with: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/svnbook-1.1/svn-book.html You should have found a link to this is you clicked on the Links link at >http://subversion.tigris.org/ >but didn't see anything. It seems as though the product is geared towards > people who already are familiar with version control systems, Subversion can be thought of as a next generation cvs. It runs much like cvs, but adds some of the features that are otherwise difficult to provide in the current cvs implementation. >but I >suspect many people are not. I often think I should put changes to >CONFIG.SYS through some sort of version control but never do... It makes it much easier to recall why something was done a year ago. :-) >How would I use subversion for something like this? Just like any other version control system. Check your changes into the respository. That said, most experienced version control system users will tell you a version control system is not a configuration management system. A version control system is not really good at backing out complex interrelated changes when the files are a mix of relatively static control files, like config.sys, and volatile data files, like os2.ini. Regards, Steven -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Levine" MR2/ICE 2.60b #10183 Warp4/FP15/14.093c_W4 www.scoug.com irc.fyrelizard.com #scoug (Wed 7pm PST) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:00:00 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Native port of OpenOffice...possible? Mentore Siesto schreef: >On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Kris Steenhaut wrote: > >KS >billn schreef: >KS > >KS >>This would be useful enough to me that I would be willing to spend time >KS >>and effort on it. >KS >> >KS >So I'm I. Effort meaning prepared to donate an certain amount of euro. >KS >Incidentally, I still have a list of people prepared to pay a real (or >KS >almost real) native OOo would see the light. >KS >So, if it would turn into doable reality, do send me a note. > >Add me to the list. > > > Done. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:08:34 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status Just wondering about the XFree86 mailing list status. Last week I posted this http://xfreeos2.dyndns.org/pipermail/xfreeos2/2004-October/000436.html and it never showed up here as well as no responses. Did anyone who is subscribed to the list see this message? Also anyone have any ideas about the problem, I'm not that up on shell scripts Dave **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:24:24 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: Re: Zlib 1.2.1 On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:31:08 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 06:41:08PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:35:12 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >> >> > >> >Does anyone know of the availability of Zlib 1.2.1 for OS/2? >> > >> >-- >> >> I've got it compiled here in a couple of formats eg export symbols by name and export symbols by ordinal. Most software depends on the export by ordinals version. > >Do you have any patches? I do somewhere but they need a bit more work. Also a decision needs to be made wether to stick with export by ordinal or name. Lots of apps (eg the gimp) are linked by ordinal but the zlib team says to use export by name (see win32/DLL_FAQ.txt). I'm leaning to having 2 z.dlls, one called z.dll which is compatible with export by ordinals and one called ZLIB1.DLL which new programs would link against and use export by name. > >It would be nice if the included configure script could be made to work... IIRC it does work for static linked libs, though only a.out. I don;t think we're ever really going to get configure scripts to create DLLs without a lot of work. So far I've had exactly one DLL built from a configure script and the next version of the app (libiconv) broke. Dave **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:48:56 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew MacIntyre Subject: Re: Accessing AF_UNIX sockets from Python On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, John Poltorak wrote: > Has anyone any experience with accessing Unix-type sockets from Python? > > According to the README for Python 2.3.4 this is one of the new features:- > > - AF_UNIX (Unix domain, or local IPC) sockets now supported. > > I'd like an example of how to use this feature. I haven't any example code around (other than what's in the Python standard library and test suite), but using local sockets is no different to IP sockets - except you specify a local file system address instead of an IP address and port number. Its really just the sockets API over pipes. On OS/2 the socket path must start with \socket\ and there is no actual file system representation, whereas Unixen don't care what the path is but do (usually) have a file system entry (for the underlying pipe). The OS/2 port of PostgreSQL supports AF_UNIX sockets for client connections, which are faster than IP connections via the loopback interface. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." E-mail: andymac at bullseye.apana.org.au (pref) | Snail: PO Box 370 andymac at pcug.org.au (alt) | Belconnen ACT 2616 Web: http://www.andymac.org/ | Australia **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:44:49 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status Dave Yeo schreef: >Just wondering about the XFree86 mailing list status. Last week I >posted this >http://xfreeos2.dyndns.org/pipermail/xfreeos2/2004-October/000436.html >and it never showed up here as well as no responses. Did anyone who is >subscribed to the list see this message? >Also anyone have any ideas about the problem, I'm not that up on shell >scripts >Dave > > > As the message was addressed specific at "Frank" I had no intension to reply and maybe others had the very same meaning... > > > > -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:24:49 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 04:08:34PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > Just wondering about the XFree86 mailing list status. Last week I > posted this > http://xfreeos2.dyndns.org/pipermail/xfreeos2/2004-October/000436.html > and it never showed up here as well as no responses. Did anyone who is > subscribed to the list see this message? I never saw it. > Dave -- John **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:53:43 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Accessing AF_UNIX sockets from Python On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 07:48:56AM +1000, Andrew MacIntyre wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, John Poltorak wrote: > > > Has anyone any experience with accessing Unix-type sockets from Python? > > > > According to the README for Python 2.3.4 this is one of the new features:- > > > > - AF_UNIX (Unix domain, or local IPC) sockets now supported. > > > > I'd like an example of how to use this feature. > > I haven't any example code around (other than what's in the Python > standard library and test suite), but using local sockets is no different > to IP sockets - except you specify a local file system address instead of > an IP address and port number. > > Its really just the sockets API over pipes. > > On OS/2 the socket path must start with \socket\ and there is no actual > file system representation, whereas Unixen don't care what the path is > but do (usually) have a file system entry (for the underlying pipe). Is that a literal '\socket\'? The reason I ask is that I want to run Zope using ZOPECTL which is supposed to start ZDCTL with a socket handle, but I can't get it working... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." > E-mail: andymac at bullseye.apana.org.au (pref) | Snail: PO Box 370 > andymac at pcug.org.au (alt) | Belconnen ACT 2616 > Web: http://www.andymac.org/ | Australia -- John **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:10:10 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Zlib 1.2.1 On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 04:24:24PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:31:08 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 06:41:08PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:35:12 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Does anyone know of the availability of Zlib 1.2.1 for OS/2? > >> > > >> >-- > >> > >> I've got it compiled here in a couple of formats eg export symbols by name and export symbols by ordinal. Most software depends on the export by ordinals version. > > > >Do you have any patches? > > I do somewhere but they need a bit more work. Also a decision needs to > be made wether to stick with export by ordinal or name. Lots of apps > (eg the gimp) are linked by ordinal but the zlib team says to use > export by name (see win32/DLL_FAQ.txt). I'm leaning to having 2 z.dlls, > one called z.dll which is compatible with export by ordinals and one > called ZLIB1.DLL which new programs would link against and use export > by name. I thought we had been over this a few times and a consensus had emerged, although I admit most of it went over my head. > >It would be nice if the included configure script could be made to work... > IIRC it does work for static linked libs, though only a.out. I don;t > think we're ever really going to get configure scripts to create DLLs > without a lot of work. So far I've had exactly one DLL built from a > configure script and the next version of the app (libiconv) broke. Can't we use libtool to create DLL's? Alternatively having an OS/2 Makefile included in ZLIB, as used to be the case, would be preferable, especially one which worked. > Dave -- John **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:51:56 +1000 From: Alexander Newman Subject: Re: (OT?) XFree86 mailing list status >Just wondering about the XFree86 mailing list status. Last week I >posted this >http://xfreeos2.dyndns.org/pipermail/xfreeos2/2004-October/000436.html >and it never showed up here as well as no responses. Did anyone who is >subscribed to the list see this message? >Also anyone have any ideas about the problem, I'm not that up on shell >scripts >Dave Didn’t see it here, either. Alex. **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:01:47 +1000 From: Alexander Newman Subject: Re: Subversion The arch project - http://www.gnuarch.org/ - might be worth a look at as a CVS replacement. You’ll see what I mean if you go there. Of course, you would also have to build it under OS/2, but it *does* look quite interesting and useful. Alex. **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:09:18 +0100 From: Stefan.Neis at t-online.de Subject: Re: Zlib 1.2.1 > Can't we use libtool to create DLL's? Not as long, as we want to support ordinals - at least not easily. Regards, Stefan **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:09:18 +0100 From: Stefan.Neis at t-online.de Subject: Re: Zlib 1.2.1 > Can't we use libtool to create DLL's? Not as long, as we want to support ordinals - at least not easily. Regards, Stefan