Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 00:04:18 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 370 ************************************************** Wednesday 05 May 2004 Number 370 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: OpenOffice : Sergey Yevtushenko 2 Re: OpenOffice : Stefan.Neis at t-online.de 3 Re: OpenOffice : Sebastian Wittmeier" 4 Re: OpenOffice : John Poltorak 5 Re: OpenOffice : John Poltorak 6 Re: OpenOffice : Sebastian Wittmeier" 7 DCE : John Poltorak 8 Re: OpenOffice : Stefan.Neis at t-online.de 9 Re: OpenOffice : Sergey Yevtushenko 10 Re: DCE : John Poltorak 11 Re: OpenOffice : Sergey Yevtushenko 12 Re: OpenOffice : Christian Hennecke" 13 Re: OpenOffice : John Poltorak 14 Re: OpenOffice : Sergey Yevtushenko 15 Re: OpenOffice : John Poltorak 16 Re: OpenOffice : Sergey Yevtushenko 17 Re: DCE : billn 18 Re: DCE : John Poltorak 19 Re: DCE : billn 20 Re: DCE : John Poltorak 21 Re: OpenOffice : Steve Wendt 22 Re: DCE : billn 23 intl.lib : John Poltorak 24 Re: Building EMACS v20.7 : Arnstein Prytz 25 Re: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 : Masaru Nomiya 26 Re: Building EMACS v20.7 : Masaru Nomiya 27 Re: DCE : Dave Yeo" 28 Re: Building EMACS v20.7 : John Poltorak 29 Re: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 : John Poltorak 30 Re: DCE : John Poltorak 31 Emacs patches for v20.6 : John Poltorak 32 Re: Emacs patches for v20.6 : Christian Hennecke" 33 timestamps in tar files : John Poltorak **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:22:38 +0300 From: Sergey Yevtushenko Subject: Re: OpenOffice Stefan, >>What I would like to see is a native port which is not >>dependent on some >>middleware like Odin. > > > Since it's using a GUI toolkit which doesn't support PM (any more), > that's something you can forget about.... :-( This is not correct. Source code of OpenOffice versions 1.0.2 and 1.1rc3 includes OS/2 branch of the code. Most likely code is there in more recent versions as well. That code was not updated for a long time (since September 2000) but I think that it is possible to resume development of native OS/2 version. If to be more realistic, development and support of such a project is not a simple task and I suspect it is too big for a spare time project. It's enough to say that unpacked sources of 1.1rc3 consumes about 600Mb of disk space. Regards, Sergey. -- *--------------------------------------------- ES at Home http://es.os2.ru/ **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:29:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan.Neis at t-online.de Subject: Re: OpenOffice John Poltorak schrieb: > > >No idea, what X-Toolkit it is using. > > > > It seems they are using pure X11. > > And that is perfectly supported on OS/2! > > So what is stopping anyone trying to build it? Time and space constraints? The source code doesn't fit onto my hard disk and build time is rumoured to be in the range of days rather than minutes ... Regards, Stefan **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:34:27 +0200 (CEST) From: "Sebastian Wittmeier" Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, 4 May 2004 14:31:09 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >Now wouldn't EverBlue enable X apps to run under PM? > >I have no idea how far EverBlue got, but in theory, wouldn't that route >provide a path to getting a native PM version without any PM support in >the source? Yes, it would. Everblue is still under development, but until that we could run OpenOffice on XFree86/2. The later switch would be easy, since Everblue and XFree are perfectly (binarily) compatible. Sebastian **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:34:15 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 05:22:38PM +0300, Sergey Yevtushenko wrote: > Stefan, > > > Since it's using a GUI toolkit which doesn't support PM (any more), > > that's something you can forget about.... :-( > > This is not correct. Source code of OpenOffice versions 1.0.2 and 1.1rc3 > includes OS/2 branch of the code. Most likely code is there in more > recent versions as well. > That code was not updated for a long time (since September 2000) but > I think that it is possible to resume development of native OS/2 version. I'm sure that a number of people would be interested in seeing a native PM version. > If to be more realistic, development and support of such a project is > not a simple task and I suspect it is too big for a spare time project. > It's enough to say that unpacked sources of 1.1rc3 consumes about 600Mb > of disk space. Do we have the necessary tools to be able to build it? I heard that DMAKE v4 was a requirement, but we have that now. Is there a reference to building it from source? > Regards, > Sergey. > -- > *--------------------------------------------- > ES at Home http://es.os2.ru/ -- John **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:41:54 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 04:29:52PM +0200, Stefan.Neis at t-online.de wrote: > John Poltorak schrieb: > > > > >No idea, what X-Toolkit it is using. > > > > > > It seems they are using pure X11. > > > And that is perfectly supported on OS/2! > > > > So what is stopping anyone trying to build it? > > Time and space constraints? > The source code doesn't fit onto my hard disk > and build time is rumoured to be in the range > of days rather than minutes ... 80 GB disks are becoming common these days, and with fast processors which some people have they may be able to build it quicker. I'm sure a build could simply be left running until it finished. I wonder if there is any scope for parallel development as in some SETI type project... Would this be a good opportunity to develop a DCE environment? > Regards, > Stefan -- John **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:47:16 +0200 (CEST) From: "Sebastian Wittmeier" Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, 04 May 2004 17:22:38 +0300, Sergey Yevtushenko wrote: >If to be more realistic, development and support of such a project is >not a simple task and I suspect it is too big for a spare time project. >It's enough to say that unpacked sources of 1.1rc3 consumes about 600Mb >of disk space. For those that want to give it a try nevertheless, here is a quickstart http://ooo.ximian.com/hackers-guide.html Sebastian **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:53:13 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: DCE Does anyone know anything about DCE (Distributed Computing Environment) ? I bought a book about it many years ago because I thought everyone would be using DCE and I wanted to find out something about it, but it seems that it never took off so I never spent much time reading the book, although ISTR that IBM developed DCE for OS/2 at one point. AIUI DCE enables a a task to be split up as many different subtasks and allows them to be run independently on remote computers. Now with the advent of high speed Internet access for many people, I wonder if a project like building OpenOffice could be developed as a DCE app. It would certainly speed up build times if it was possible. -- John **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:03:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan.Neis at t-online.de Subject: Re: OpenOffice John Poltorak schrieb: > I'm sure a build > could simply be left running until it finished. > The problem is, it typically will stop with an error message within 5 minutes once you leave it alone... I.e. I'd expect that quite some OS/2 specific fixes would be required to make it work... > Would this be a good opportunity to develop a DCE > environment? DCE? Regards, Stefan **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:09:39 +0300 From: Sergey Yevtushenko Subject: Re: OpenOffice Sebastian, >>If to be more realistic, development and support of such a project is >>not a simple task and I suspect it is too big for a spare time project. >>It's enough to say that unpacked sources of 1.1rc3 consumes about 600Mb >>of disk space. > > > For those that want to give it a try nevertheless, here is a quickstart > http://ooo.ximian.com/hackers-guide.html Thanks. It might be really helpful. Regards, Sergey. -- *--------------------------------------------- ES at Home http://es.os2.ru/ **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:09:35 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: DCE On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 03:53:13PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > ISTR that IBM developed DCE for OS/2 at one point. On further investigation I found:- An IBM RedBook:- http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/sg244785.html A textbool:- Understanding OSF DCE 1.1 For AIX and OS/2 Author: [Rolf Lendenmann] Publisher: Prentice Hall Publication date: August 1996 ISBN: 0134937503 Pages: 312 Price: 36.00 US This book teachs OSF's Distributed Computing Environment. It covers many aspects of DCE and teaches how to create control scripts and RPC programs using Tcl, RPCs, and threads. I guess I must have a copy of the software somewhere in my stack of IBM Developer Connection/Toolbox CDs - but there are over 100 so it would take a while. Anyone know if it was included? -- John **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:12:44 +0300 From: Sergey Yevtushenko Subject: Re: OpenOffice John, >>I think that it is possible to resume development of native OS/2 version. > > I'm sure that a number of people would be interested in seeing a native PM > version. As I said, I think that native OO/2 does not look like spare time project but rather a full time job for a skilled team of developers. > >>If to be more realistic, development and support of such a project is >>not a simple task and I suspect it is too big for a spare time project. >>It's enough to say that unpacked sources of 1.1rc3 consumes about 600Mb >>of disk space. > > > Do we have the necessary tools to be able to build it? I heard that > DMAKE v4 was a requirement, but we have that now. > > Is there a reference to building it from source? I've not tried to build it and I suspect that OS/2 branch of the build infrastructure can be damaged (just because it is outdated) but makefiles and other relevant files are there along with sources. Regards, Sergey. -- *--------------------------------------------- ES at Home http://es.os2.ru/ **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:14:16 +0200 (CEST) From: "Christian Hennecke" Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:34:15 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >I'm sure that a number of people would be interested in seeing a native PM >version. You are correct, and a short time before Innotek announced their plans, some OS/2 users joined and started investigations what a native port would cost. IIRC their intention was to hire a group of Russian developers, and they even found some. The project would have had to be founded by users. But when Serenity, Innotek and what's-their-name (you know, those who apparently are not involved anymore) announced their plans, they effectively killed the aforementioned project off. I very much doubt that you would find enough people to fund an OpenOffice port to XFree86/OS2 and later maybe EverBlue. To most it's just as "non-native" as Odin. So, as the whole thing is very likely more than what can be handled as a spare-time project of a few developers, the chances it will ever become reality are extremely slim. Unless Innotek doesn't manage to solve the printing problems many seem to experience, that is. Christian Hennecke **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:24:47 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 05:14:16PM +0200, Christian Hennecke wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:34:15 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > I very much doubt that you would find enough people to fund an > OpenOffice port to XFree86/OS2 Who is to say it actually needs porting? If it just uses X11 it might build straight out of the box. Unlikely, I know, but building Unix apps on OS/2 has become much easier in recent years. > Christian Hennecke -- John **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:35:57 +0300 From: Sergey Yevtushenko Subject: Re: OpenOffice Christian, > You are correct, and a short time before Innotek announced their plans, > some OS/2 users joined and started investigations what a native port > would cost. IIRC their intention was to hire a group of Russian > developers, and they even found some. The project would have had to be > founded by users. But when Serenity, Innotek and what's-their-name (you > know, those who apparently are not involved anymore) announced their > plans, they effectively killed the aforementioned project off. In fact I did review of OO sources exactly for this purpose. > I very much doubt that you would find enough people to fund an > OpenOffice port to XFree86/OS2 and later maybe EverBlue. To most it's > just as "non-native" as Odin. So, as the whole thing is very likely > more than what can be handled as a spare-time project of a few > developers, the chances it will ever become reality are extremely slim. > Unless Innotek doesn't manage to solve the printing problems many seem > to experience, that is. Well, I think that XFree86 port of OpenOffice is less interesting than native PM version. Regards, Sergey. -- *--------------------------------------------- ES at Home http://es.os2.ru/ **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:00:54 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 06:35:57PM +0300, Sergey Yevtushenko wrote: > Well, I think that XFree86 port of OpenOffice is less interesting than > native PM version. That may be true, but building an X version as a prototype would provide invaluable experience and might show whether a PM app was feasible. > Regards, > Sergey. > -- > *--------------------------------------------- > ES at Home http://es.os2.ru/ -- John **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 19:24:27 +0300 From: Sergey Yevtushenko Subject: Re: OpenOffice John, >>Well, I think that XFree86 port of OpenOffice is less interesting than >>native PM version. > > > That may be true, but building an X version as a prototype would provide > invaluable experience and might show whether a PM app was feasible. I don't think that building X version will be simpler than PM version. It should be kept in mind that OO is not "yet another Unix app", it came from OS/2 and Windows world and dependencies such as "OS/2 assumes PM" and "Windows assumes Win32" might be built in the depth of the project. From the other hand, I agree that we can't be sure and can't get relevant experience without trying. Regards, Sergey. -- *--------------------------------------------- ES at Home http://es.os2.ru/ **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 09:12:42 -0700 From: billn Subject: Re: DCE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------98563F895D7647483ADA2E5F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you folks do pursue this OO/2 project, I will make available some computing capacity on OS/2 as part of a support effort, as a DCE or full source build. I can't offer code support as I don't know C++ and am very rusty on C. Right now that system is a Duron 950 with 512MB memory and two spare 4GB SCSI disks. The processor will be upgraded in the near future. I'm on a 512Kb DSL. BillN John Poltorak wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about DCE (Distributed Computing Environment) ? > > I bought a book about it many years ago because I thought everyone > would be using DCE and I wanted to find out something about it, but it > seems that it never took off so I never spent much time reading the book, > although ISTR that IBM developed DCE for OS/2 at one point. > > AIUI DCE enables a a task to be split up as many different subtasks and > allows them to be run independently on remote computers. Now with the > advent of high speed Internet access for many people, I wonder if a > project like building OpenOffice could be developed as a DCE app. It would > certainly speed up build times if it was possible. > > -- > John --------------98563F895D7647483ADA2E5F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="billn.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for billn Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="billn.vcf" begin:vcard n:Nicholls;Bill x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.billswrite.com org:BW Services adr:;;;Yelm;WA;98597;USA version:2.1 email;internet:billn at ywave.com title:Owner x-mozilla-cpt:;-10240 fn:Bill Nicholls end:vcard --------------98563F895D7647483ADA2E5F-- **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:33:51 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: DCE On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 09:12:42AM -0700, billn wrote: > If you folks do pursue this OO/2 project, I will make available some > computing capacity on OS/2 as part of a support effort, as a DCE or full > source build. I can't offer code support as I don't know C++ and am very > rusty on C. > > Right now that system is a Duron 950 with 512MB memory and two spare 4GB > SCSI disks. The processor will be upgraded in the near future. I'm on a > 512Kb DSL. Well, that is very kind of you. It would be great to take you up on this offer. Have you set ever set up a DCE server? I haven't and don't even know if this sort of project would be possible, but I'd like to give it a try. I assume the task of a server would be to dish out appropriate bits of work to clients and co-ordinate the results, although I don't have a clue where you would start with something like this. > BillN > > > John Poltorak wrote: > > > > Does anyone know anything about DCE (Distributed Computing Environment) ? > > > > I bought a book about it many years ago because I thought everyone > > would be using DCE and I wanted to find out something about it, but it > > seems that it never took off so I never spent much time reading the book, > > although ISTR that IBM developed DCE for OS/2 at one point. > > > > AIUI DCE enables a a task to be split up as many different subtasks and > > allows them to be run independently on remote computers. Now with the > > advent of high speed Internet access for many people, I wonder if a > > project like building OpenOffice could be developed as a DCE app. It would > > certainly speed up build times if it was possible. > > > > -- > > John Content-Description: Card for billn -- John **= Email 19 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:16:46 -0700 From: billn Subject: Re: DCE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ED62BF9FD68D7BAB013E7D11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Poltorak wrote: > > > Well, that is very kind of you. It would be great to take you up on this > offer. > > Have you set ever set up a DCE server? I haven't and don't even know if > this sort of project would be possible, but I'd like to give it a try. I don't know the answer, but I'll take a look for the info. I can do the DCE server part, but my outbound bandwidth is low - 120Kbs - 15 KB. This would be enough for patch files, but not to send out sources. > > I assume the task of a server would be to dish out appropriate bits of > work to clients and co-ordinate the results, although I don't have a clue > where you would start with something like this. I think my system will work well as a DCE client, but the low bandwidth might make the server part too slow unless all the other systems maintain a base source. This should be doable. All that said, let me investigate the DCE issues and report back. BillN http://www.billswrite.com --------------ED62BF9FD68D7BAB013E7D11 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="billn.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for billn Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="billn.vcf" begin:vcard n:Nicholls;Bill x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.billswrite.com org:BW Services adr:;;;Yelm;WA;98597;USA version:2.1 email;internet:billn at ywave.com title:Owner x-mozilla-cpt:;-10240 fn:Bill Nicholls end:vcard --------------ED62BF9FD68D7BAB013E7D11-- **= Email 20 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 19:02:28 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: DCE On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 10:16:46AM -0700, billn wrote: > > > John Poltorak wrote: > > > > > > Well, that is very kind of you. It would be great to take you up on this > > offer. > > > > Have you set ever set up a DCE server? I haven't and don't even know if > > this sort of project would be possible, but I'd like to give it a try. > > I don't know the answer, but I'll take a look for the info. I can do the > DCE server part, but my outbound bandwidth is low - 120Kbs - 15 KB. This > would be enough for patch files, but not to send out sources. The way I see it, the server's role would be one of controlling the dispatching of tasks to clients and being a central repository of compiled objects which had been built by clients. I'm also assuming that each client would already have downloaded the original OpenOffice source independently. > > I assume the task of a server would be to dish out appropriate bits of > > work to clients and co-ordinate the results, although I don't have a clue > > where you would start with something like this. > > > I think my system will work well as a DCE client, but the low bandwidth > might make the server part too slow unless all the other systems > maintain a base source. This should be doable. I don't see the server's principle role as an ftp server for the original OO source, just a repository for patches and compiled objects. It is there to farm out tasks or rather instructions which the client should be able to fullfill without download any large source files. > All that said, let me investigate the DCE issues and report back. Please do. It might be clearer to understand if the DCE environment was set up for a fairly simple task, just to establish some basic procedures. > BillN > http://www.billswrite.com Content-Description: Card for billn -- John **= Email 21 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Wendt Subject: Re: OpenOffice On Tue, 4 May 2004 Stefan.Neis at t-online.de wrote: > Both Odin and OpenOffice _are_ OpenSource, > aren't they? Odin and OpenOffice are, yes. However, the "OS/2 Kit" for OpenOffice, while using mostly Odin code, is not. **= Email 22 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 11:57:23 -0700 From: billn Subject: Re: DCE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ADF8C1B0A2C0D056462FF43E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My initial search for RPC and/or DCE info for OS/2 has drawn a blank. I've searched the IBM dev site and other places. IBM seems to have depreciated DCE and is pushing Grid enablement. I have some references below if you want to check them out, but right now, the closest thing to what we need looks like BOINC. But this also looks like overkill for what we need. Note that the price for OO from Innotek, with other goodies, is very aggressive. I agree in principle that getting OO running independently is a good idea, but does anyone have an estimate of what is involved? I don't mean time, but what has to be done. It would help me to have some idea that so I can look for the best way to support it. BillN http://www.billswrite.com DCE, Grid and Corba http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/grid/library/gr-heritage/ BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ OGSA (Open Grid Services Architecture) http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/grid/library/gr-ogsadai/ OpenOffice at Serenity Systems ($39) http://www.ecomstation.com/openoffice.phtml?title=OpenOffice.org%201.1.1%20for%20eComStation%20Released --------------ADF8C1B0A2C0D056462FF43E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="billn.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for billn Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="billn.vcf" begin:vcard n:Nicholls;Bill x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.billswrite.com org:BW Services adr:;;;Yelm;WA;98597;USA version:2.1 email;internet:billn at ywave.com title:Owner x-mozilla-cpt:;-10240 fn:Bill Nicholls end:vcard --------------ADF8C1B0A2C0D056462FF43E-- **= Email 23 ==========================** Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:56:16 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: intl.lib After building the old port of the GNU File Utils, I found I needed to create an INTL.LIB. Is this something that I can get GETTEXT to produce when I build it? If so, what would be the best way of doing that? -- John **= Email 24 ==========================** Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:04:19 +1000 From: Arnstein Prytz Subject: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 Dear John, > > After making some minor changes to configure.cmd > > I wouldn't bother making any changes at all until you know things work. It > does ask where patch is you only need to enter its name. That I did, but my version of patch does not automatically create backups of the original files with a .orig file name extension. patch .exe 52,736 .a.. 22-02-1998 19:38:02 At line 98 of configure.cmd I've modified PatchVal.lp.1 as follows PatchVal.lp.1="-b -z .orig -p 1"; With this the patching process works as expected. > > Process terminated by SIGSEGV > Does anything show up in POPUPLOG.OS2? No. Never mind though, because Masaru Nomiya hit the nail on the head when he told me to add "set NAME=Arnstein Prytz" in the environment. I've done that and now have a running emacs.exe. By the way, I did not have to set makeshell. All I needed was to start the build process in a cmd.exe shell. It stuffs up under 4OS/2, probably because of the ANSI code sequences I use there for the prompt. I haven't bothered to look into this yet. I am running make 3.81beta1. Now that I can compile and run emacs I will compare with Jeremy Bowen's 20.6 version to see what can be done to make it more PM like. I do not fancy the X scroll bars. What's the deal with .XDefaults, FONTSET.OS2? I do not understand where these come into it. I have the following in my ..emacs (with a whole lot of other rubbish) which allows me to use the same file on three machines with different monitors. (setq default-frame-alist (append '((left . 0) (top . 0) (width . 81) (background-color . "antiquewhite") (foreground-color . "black") (cursor-type . halftone)) (cond ; Spinifex: AcerView 79g, 1200x1024, 17" monitor, 11 pt ((equal (local-host-name) "spinifex") (append '((height . 46) (font . "11.Courier") (menu-font . "11.Times New Roman")))) ; Goanna: Benq FP991, 1200x1024, 19" LCD monitor, 9 pt ((equal (local-host-name) "goanna") (append '((height . 61) (font . "10.Courier") (menu-font . "9.Times New Roman")))) ; Gecko: IBM Thinkpad T41 laptop, 1400x1050, 12 pt ((equal (local-host-name) "gecko") (append '((height . 47) (font . "11.Courier") (menu-font . "11.Times New Roman")))) ) default-frame-alist ) ) The problem here is that I do not get 'antique-white' background and the window height is not set correctly. Further, the same font specification gives different font sizes under 20.6 and 20.7. Where does one get hold of MFN or BDF fonts that Masaru Nomiya refers to. I use emacs A LOT, for reading news, mail, sending mail, editing, latex, PostScript preview through ps-print extensions, writing letters using different charsets, etc. At this point 20.7 dies without an entry in POPUPLOG.OS2 when trying to send mail. Reading new mail buggers up the new messages. I can start a PS preview. Opening a latex file I do not get syntax highlighting because emacs looks for pm-list-fonts fn. This is because 20.6 is designed around em's pm-win terminal, while 20.7 uses a different os2pm-win terminal. That's fair enough, but as I get more time I'll try to revert back to the 20.6 (and hence 19.33) behaviour. For now, the mail crashing is rather a deal-breaker for me so I'll keep using 20.6. At least the crash occurs a while after the mail is sent. 20.6 seems to have problems with spawning process (I think), as well as a few other problems, which I have gotten used to working around. Thank you to everyone who helped me get 20.7 compiled. That, to me, was the biggest problem. Now I'll see what I can do about fine-tuning the process, and perhaps even update to more recent version. Yeah, I know, I'll likely bite off more than I can chew. Regards, Arnstein ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arnstein Prytz Arnstein.Prytz at jcu.edu.au School of Maths and Physics ph: 61-7-47815183 James Cook University fax: 61-7-47815880 Townsville, Queensland 4811, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 25 ==========================** Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:20:04 +0900 From: Masaru Nomiya Subject: Re: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 Message-ID : <20040504131844.K85 at warpix.org> Date & Time: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:18:45 +0100 [John] == John Poltorak has written: John> I think the %NAME% variable is only required at runtime. No. It's required when compiling Emacs 20.7 for OS/2. Because, In the Message; Subject : Re: Building EMACS v20.7 Message-ID : <200405040232.MAA004.06 at goanna.jcu.edu.au> Date & Time: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:32:22 +1000 [Arnstein] == arnstein.prytz at jcu.edu.au has written: [...] Arnstein> make[1]: Entering directory `E:/var/tmp/emacs/emacs-20.7/leim' Arnstein> ../src/emacs.exe -batch --no-init-file --no-site-file -l ../lisp/international/titdic-cnv \ Arnstein> --eval '(batch-titdic-convert t)' -dir quail ./CXTERM-DIC Arnstein> Process terminated by SIGSEGV Arnstein> make[1]: *** [quail/CTLau.el] Error 3 Arnstein> make[1]: Leaving directory `E:/var/tmp/emacs/emacs-20.7/leim' Arnstein> make: *** [leim] Error 2 this error massage means "failed byte-compile of lisp files". That is, byte-compiling is performed by emacs.exe, and emacs.exe can't work properly without %NAME% variable. Regards, --- Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya at ttmy.ne.jp "Bill! You married with Computers. Not with Me!" "No..., with money." **= Email 26 ==========================** Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:12:22 +0900 From: Masaru Nomiya Subject: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Building EMACS v20.7 Message-ID : <200405042304.JAA022.25 at goanna.jcu.edu.au> Date & Time: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:04:19 +1000 [Arnstein] == Arnstein Prytz has written: Arnstein>>> After making some minor changes to configure.cmd I can't understand. John>> I wouldn't bother making any changes at all until you know things work. It John>> does ask where patch is you only need to enter its name. Yes. And, Mr. Sasaki recomends to rename GNU patch.exe as gpatch.exe. He intends to avoid OS/2's patch.exe working. Arnstein> That I did, but my version of patch does not automatically create backups Arnstein> of the original files with a .orig file name extension. Arnstein> patch .exe 52,736 .a.. 22-02-1998 19:38:02 Mine is 01-02-12 2:33 61952 0 patch.exe but this is not the cause.... [...] Arnstein> fancy the X scroll bars. What's the deal with .XDefaults, Arnstein> FONTSET.OS2? ..XDefaults is same as the native Emacs's fonts setting. That is, Emacs 20.7 for OS/2 display characters with fonts defined in ..XDefaults. FONTSET.OS2 is for multi-lingal use. I Arnstein> The problem here is that I do not get 'antique-white' background and the Arnstein> window height is not set correctly. Further, the same font specification Arnstein> gives different font sizes under 20.6 and 20.7. Where does one get hold Arnstein> of MFN or BDF fonts that Masaru Nomiya refers to. Chnge 'antique-white' to 'AntiqueWhite1', 'AntiqueWhite2', 'AntiqueWhite3, or 'AntiqueWhite4'. You will find out which color name you can use if you see near end of the README.JPN. Mr. Sasaki made color table for Emacs for OS/2. And, for the window's size, I write as follows; ;; For window size (setq default-frame-alist (append '((width . 90) (height . 70) (top . 10) (left . 10)) default-frame-alist)) This setting display the windows's site correctly. Arnstein> I use emacs A LOT, for reading news, mail, sending mail, editing, latex, Arnstein> PostScript preview through ps-print extensions, writing letters using Arnstein> different charsets, etc. Same as you, But I haven't got problems as you yet. For example, I use Emacs 20.7 for OS/2 for MUA's base. That is, I'm using the MUA named Wanderlust, wich is written by lisp. Maybe, you tried to send mail directly from Emacs 20.7 for OS/2, but I never tried. PS. I'm using Yatex, emacs-w3m (this requires w3m), etc.... Regards, --- Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya at ttmy.ne.jp "Bill! You married with Computers. Not with Me!" "No..., with money." **= Email 27 ==========================** Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:37:39 -0800 From: "Dave Yeo" Subject: Re: DCE On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:53:13 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > >Does anyone know anything about DCE (Distributed Computing Environment) ? > >I bought a book about it many years ago because I thought everyone >would be using DCE and I wanted to find out something about it, but it >seems that it never took off so I never spent much time reading the book, >although ISTR that IBM developed DCE for OS/2 at one point. > >AIUI DCE enables a a task to be split up as many different subtasks and >allows them to be run independently on remote computers. Now with the >advent of high speed Internet access for many people, I wonder if a >project like building OpenOffice could be developed as a DCE app. It would >certainly speed up build times if it was possible. > See http://distcc.samba.org/ Dave **= Email 28 ==========================** Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:00:53 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 01:12:22PM +0900, Masaru Nomiya wrote: > John>> I wouldn't bother making any changes at all until you know things work. It > John>> does ask where patch is you only need to enter its name. > > Yes. > And, Mr. Sasaki recomends to rename GNU patch.exe as gpatch.exe. > He intends to avoid OS/2's patch.exe working. What I would like to do is incorporate Mr SASAKI's patches into UX2BS and create a fully automated build. I think it should be fairly easy to do that. But first I'd like to see if it is possible to get a patch which includes any patches that were made for v19.33 and v20.6. It appears that a number of people revert back to 19.33 because of errors in newer versions. In 20.7, I am unable to read INFO files - emacs simply exits. > Arnstein> I use emacs A LOT, for reading news, mail, sending mail, editing, latex, > Arnstein> PostScript preview through ps-print extensions, writing letters using > Arnstein> different charsets, etc. > > Same as you, But I haven't got problems as you yet. > For example, I use Emacs 20.7 for OS/2 for MUA's base. > That is, I'm using the MUA named Wanderlust, wich is written by lisp. > Maybe, you tried to send mail directly from Emacs 20.7 for OS/2, but I > never tried. It's good that we have some experienced emacs users here since it's an app I would like to use extensively but I'm always disappointed that I can't get it to do what I want. > PS. I'm using Yatex, emacs-w3m (this requires w3m), etc.... What is w3m and Yatex? > Regards, > > --- > Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya at ttmy.ne.jp > > "Bill! You married with Computers. > Not with Me!" > "No..., with money." -- John **= Email 29 ==========================** Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:11:56 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 12:20:04PM +0900, Masaru Nomiya wrote: > Hello, > > In the Message; > > Subject : Re: Re: Building EMACS v20.7 > Message-ID : <20040504131844.K85 at warpix.org> > Date & Time: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:18:45 +0100 > > [John] == John Poltorak has written: > > John> I think the %NAME% variable is only required at runtime. > > No. It's required when compiling Emacs 20.7 for OS/2. Well I made a specific point of not setting it and it still built without any errors. I've tried it again just to confirm that this is the case. > Because, > > In the Message; > > Subject : Re: Building EMACS v20.7 > Message-ID : <200405040232.MAA004.06 at goanna.jcu.edu.au> > Date & Time: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:32:22 +1000 > > [Arnstein] == arnstein.prytz at jcu.edu.au has written: > > [...] > Arnstein> make[1]: Entering directory `E:/var/tmp/emacs/emacs-20.7/leim' > Arnstein> ../src/emacs.exe -batch --no-init-file --no-site-file -l ../lisp/international/titdic-cnv \ > Arnstein> --eval '(batch-titdic-convert t)' -dir quail ./CXTERM-DIC > > Arnstein> Process terminated by SIGSEGV > Arnstein> make[1]: *** [quail/CTLau.el] Error 3 > Arnstein> make[1]: Leaving directory `E:/var/tmp/emacs/emacs-20.7/leim' > Arnstein> make: *** [leim] Error 2 > > this error massage means "failed byte-compile of lisp files". > That is, byte-compiling is performed by emacs.exe, and emacs.exe can't > work properly without %NAME% variable. Maybe some other variable is sufficient. I don't normally have %NAME% set, although %HOME% is defined. > Regards, > > --- > Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya at ttmy.ne.jp > > "Bill! You married with Computers. > Not with Me!" > "No..., with money." -- John **= Email 30 ==========================** Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:15:13 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: DCE On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 09:37:39PM -0800, Dave Yeo wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:53:13 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > >Does anyone know anything about DCE (Distributed Computing Environment) ? > > > >I bought a book about it many years ago because I thought everyone > >would be using DCE and I wanted to find out something about it, but it > >seems that it never took off so I never spent much time reading the book, > >although ISTR that IBM developed DCE for OS/2 at one point. > > > >AIUI DCE enables a a task to be split up as many different subtasks and > >allows them to be run independently on remote computers. Now with the > >advent of high speed Internet access for many people, I wonder if a > >project like building OpenOffice could be developed as a DCE app. It would > >certainly speed up build times if it was possible. > > > See http://distcc.samba.org/ Yes, it looks interesting. Will it build on OS/2? I'd be quite interested to see if it will work on OS/2 and maybe split up a build of Perl over a few of my own machines since it takes so long. > Dave -- John **= Email 31 ==========================** Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:41:06 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Emacs patches for v20.6 Does anyone know where I can find the OS/2 patches of emacs 20.6? I would like to compare them against those in 20.7 and if possible consolidate them. Also, I'd like to know if there is any chance of being able to build emacs using autoconf, configure and make since this is my preferred procedure for building apps. -- John **= Email 32 ==========================** Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:22:15 +0200 (CEST) From: "Christian Hennecke" Subject: Re: Emacs patches for v20.6 On Wed, 5 May 2004 11:41:06 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find the OS/2 patches of emacs 20.6? > >I would like to compare them against those in 20.7 and if possible >consolidate them. I don't think that Jeremy provided patches, but the complete source code. It's available at Hobbes: http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/editors/emacs/e206src.zip Christian Hennecke **= Email 33 ==========================** Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:39:16 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: timestamps in tar files How do I get a listing of files including sizes and timestamps in a tar archive? Does tar adjust timestamps according to TZ? In doing a comparison of zipped and gzipped archives the times on the same files are often out by exactly one hour, and I can't tell if that difference is accounted for by the tar extract. Does anyone know? -- John