From: UnixOS2 Archive To: "UnixOS2 Archive" Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:03:13 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 96 ************************************************** Friday 11 April 2003 Number 96 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Scilab for OS/2? : Henry Sobotka 2 Re: Newbie : Nicky Morrow 3 Re: Newbie : Nicky Morrow 4 Re: Scilab for OS/2? : John Poltorak 5 Re: Scilab for OS/2? : John Poltorak 6 Deleting \socket\syslog : John Poltorak 7 Re: Newbie : John Poltorak 8 Re: Scilab for OS/2? : Steve Wendt" 9 Re: Scilab for OS/2? : Stefan Neis 10 Re: Scilab for OS/2? : Dave and Natalie" 11 Re: Scilab for OS/2? : Neil Waldhauer" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:26:41 -0400 From: Henry Sobotka Subject: Re: Scilab for OS/2? From looking at the Readme_UNIX in the src, a build for XFree86/OS2 could well work out-of-the-box. We have the prerequisites in terms of both tools and toolkits (gcc, g77, x11, xaw, tcl/tk etc.). Plus there's the Windows code to serve as an easy guide to spots where patches might be needed. As for a native OS/2 desktop port, I don't think it would be worth the effort except for someone who itched enough to undertake it. h~ **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 08:31:45 -0300 From: Nicky Morrow Subject: Re: Newbie Steve Wendt wrote: >>Anyway, if anyone here is interested in seeing the document in its >>current form please let me know and I'll email a copy to you. >> >> > >Why not post it here? > Sure. As an attachment or what? Nick **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 09:32:59 -0300 From: Nicky Morrow Subject: Re: Newbie John Poltorak wrote: >>Hi. I'm new to the list so I just thought I'd say hi and ask what is >>going on. >> >> > >The main purposes of this list are to provide a support group to anyone >trying configure, build, port or run a Unix based app on OS/2. There is >also a longer term aim of providing a full UnixOS/2 distro, which is >effectively equivalent to Slackware or Redhat Linux, but without a Linux >kernel, where all the software is built to run on an existing OS/2 kernel. > John, thanks for the overview. > > > >>I do have a specific reason for subscribing to the list. I help where I >>can with the eCSDevGroup and one of the projects we have been working on >>is a document called eCS File and Directory Standard (eFDS-1.TXT). So >>what does that have to do with this group you are wondering? It was >>suggested by one of the folks in the eCSDevGroup that we consult with >>this group. The reason has to do with one of the reasons for producing >>the document in the first place: We are trying to set some standards >>for folks to follow in order to ease system administration. In writing >>the document we are basically following strategy of: Borrow the best >>ideas from *nix, DOS and Windows...and keep it simple. >> >> > > >UnixOS/2 is being developed to be as Unix compliant as it possibly can be >and tries to adhere to whichever standards are deemed to be relevant. > >As far as directory structures go, the main guideline is FHS, the File >Hierarchy Standard:- > >http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ > eFDS-1 is modeled after FHS. Another way of explaining why I'm here is: I'm offering this group the opportunity to review, provide input and even help edit eFDS-1 so as to help prevent changes in eCS from becoming roadblocks to the effort here. Another way of looking at is: eFDS-1 is not just for users and sysadmins but it is for the folks working on eCS. If there are particular ways of doing business that would make life easier for this group then providing input to the document would be a good way to get your needs met. That is not to say that there won't be conflicts...I'm sure there will be...but conflicts we can resolve. It's when we aren't working together where the real problems come in. Regards, Nick **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:18:00 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Scilab for OS/2? On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 12:26:41AM -0400, Henry Sobotka wrote: > From looking at the Readme_UNIX in the src, a build for XFree86/OS2 > could well work out-of-the-box. We have the prerequisites in terms of > both tools and toolkits (gcc, g77, x11, xaw, tcl/tk etc.). Plus there's > the Windows code to serve as an easy guide to spots where patches might > be needed. As for a native OS/2 desktop port, I don't think it would be > worth the effort except for someone who itched enough to undertake it. Wouldn't EVERBLUE provide a means of creating a native PM app. Or maybe even wxWindows... > h~ -- John **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:21:39 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Scilab for OS/2? On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 07:47:56PM -0500, Jean Castonguay wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:44:28 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +0000, Jean Castonguay wrote: > >> Scilab is a program similar to Matlab. It was developed by INRIA, a > >> French research establishment. > >> > > > >Do you have a URL for downloading the source? > > www.scilab.org Hmmm... I thought that was a commercial product. Is it related to the product described here:- ? http://pauillac.inria.fr/cdrom/www/scilab/eng.htm > > > > >> Jean Castonguay > >> Électrocommande Pascal > > -- John **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:56:24 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Deleting \socket\syslog Can anyone suggest how I would go about deleting \socket\syslog ? I think this was created by SYSLOGD, but has remained after I killed the program, and now I can't restart it. -- John **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:17:35 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Newbie On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 09:10:14PM -0300, Nicky Morrow wrote: > Hi. I'm new to the list so I just thought I'd say hi and ask what is > going on. The main purposes of this list are to provide a support group to anyone trying configure, build, port or run a Unix based app on OS/2. There is also a longer term aim of providing a full UnixOS/2 distro, which is effectively equivalent to Slackware or Redhat Linux, but without a Linux kernel, where all the software is built to run on an existing OS/2 kernel. > I do have a specific reason for subscribing to the list. I help where I > can with the eCSDevGroup and one of the projects we have been working on > is a document called eCS File and Directory Standard (eFDS-1.TXT). So > what does that have to do with this group you are wondering? It was > suggested by one of the folks in the eCSDevGroup that we consult with > this group. The reason has to do with one of the reasons for producing > the document in the first place: We are trying to set some standards > for folks to follow in order to ease system administration. In writing > the document we are basically following strategy of: Borrow the best > ideas from *nix, DOS and Windows...and keep it simple. UnixOS/2 is being developed to be as Unix compliant as it possibly can be and tries to adhere to whichever standards are deemed to be relevant. As far as directory structures go, the main guideline is FHS, the File Hierarchy Standard:- http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ > Regards, > > Nick -- John **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve Wendt" Subject: Re: Scilab for OS/2? On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:59:49 +0200 (CEST), Stefan Neis wrote: >- wxWindows is a Toolkit just like IBM's class library distributed with > VAC++ (I forgot the name... :-( ), like MFC, like Motif, like QT or > like GTK+. IBM's toolkit is OCL, and it's even deader than Motif. ;) ----------- "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato (427-347 B.C.) **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:59:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Neis Subject: Re: Scilab for OS/2? On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, John Poltorak wrote: > Wouldn't EVERBLUE provide a means of creating a native PM app. Or maybe > even wxWindows... Argh! My explanations about wxWindows must have been really bad... - wxWindows is a Toolkit just like IBM's class library distributed with VAC++ (I forgot the name... :-( ), like MFC, like Motif, like QT or like GTK+. - If an application has been written with IBM's class library, it can be compiled for every platform supported by IBM/VAC++ (i.e. AIX, OS/2, Windows). - If an application has been written with MS's MFC, it can be compiled for every platform supported by MS/MFS (i.e. Windows). - If an application has been written with Motif(QT, GTK+) it can be compiled on every platform supported by that toolkit, i.e. essentially everything offering an X server (plus Windows in the case of QT and GTK+). - If an application has been written with wxWindows, it can be compiled on every platform/compiler supported by wxWindows, i.e. any X server, Windows, MacOS, OS/2. - If an application has been written with toolkit A, toolkit B is entirely useless when trying to port it to a different platform (except that it might be easier to rewrite the application for toolkit B than for toolkit C, however, a huge amount of work is required, no matter which target toolkit you choose for rewriting the application to make it work on your target platform). Sidenote: wxWindows is different from the other toolkit's in that it is a higher level toolkit which uses the other toolkits to achieve native Look and Feel on every platform, but that's merely a technical issue and doesn't help porting... Regards, Stefan -- Micro$oft is not an answer. It is a question. The answer is 'no'. **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:00:56 -0800 From: "Dave and Natalie" Subject: Re: Scilab for OS/2? On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:18:00 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > >Wouldn't EVERBLUE provide a means of creating a native PM app. Or maybe >even wxWindows... EVERBLUE might, another option might be Odin Dave ps I tryed compiling Scilab. Libtool doesn't like OS/2 **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:36:56 -0700 From: "Neil Waldhauer" Subject: Re: Scilab for OS/2? On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:57:41, "Jean Castonguay" wrote: > Scilab is a program similar to Matlab. It was developed by INRIA, a > French research establishment. I can run Euler on OS/2, but I don't know if that helps any. Neil -- Neil Waldhauer, neil at blondeguy.com With god as my witness I thought turkeys could fly.