From: UnixOS2 Archive
To: "UnixOS2 Archive" <UnixOS2_Archive at unixos2.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 04:47:58 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600
Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 7

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Tuesday 07 January 2003
 Number  7
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [Fwd: failure notice]was:  R : Thomas Hoffmann <thoffman at zappa.sax.de>
2  Re: [Fwd: failure notice]was:  R : Thomas Hoffmann <thoffman at zappa.sax.de>
3  Re:  PASSWD handling : nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
4  Re:  PASSWD handling : nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
5  Re:  PASSWD handling : nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
6  Re:  PASSWD handling : nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
7  Re:  PASSWD handling : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
8  Re:  PASSWD handling : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
9  Re:  PASSWD handling : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
10  Re:  PASSWD handling : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
11   Open Group - basic utilities specification : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
12   Open Group - basic utilities specification : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
13   ctags : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
14   ctags : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
15  Re:  gcc and Mozilla : Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
16  Re:  gcc and Mozilla : Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
17  Re:  gcc and Mozilla : Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
18  Re:  gcc and Mozilla : Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
19  Re:  ctags : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
20  Re:  ctags : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
21  Re:  gcc and Mozilla : Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
22  Re:  gcc and Mozilla : Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
23   Open Watcom C/C++ 1.0 beta : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
24   Open Watcom C/C++ 1.0 beta : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
25  Re:  Perl build hang : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
26  Re:  Perl build hang : John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
27  Re:  PASSWD handling : nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
28  Re:  PASSWD handling : nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
29  Re:  PASSWD handling : Steve Wendt <stevew at shocking.com>
30  Re:  PASSWD handling : email at eracc.hypermart.net (ERACC Lists)

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:41:17 +0100
From:  Thomas Hoffmann <thoffman at zappa.sax.de>
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: failure notice]was:  R

By accident they used 2.53 and I used 2.53b. Not much of a version 
difference, i would say ...

As I said: It would be best if I could point to a piece of their code 
and to a paragraph in the current autoconf docs and show a syntax error 
in the input.

Stefan Neis wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Thomas Hoffmann wrote:
> 
> 
> But using which autoconf version? wxWindows for example is still using
> 2.13 even though most (All?) of the "bugs" for autoconf-2.5x seem to be
> fixed, meanwhile. Or if they are using 2.56 and you are using something
> slightly older, that might also explain your problem. In short: Make
> sure you're using the exact same version on OS/2 that others are using
> on Unix... :-(
> 


**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:41:17 +0100
From:  Thomas Hoffmann <thoffman at zappa.sax.de>
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: failure notice]was:  R

By accident they used 2.53 and I used 2.53b. Not much of a version 
difference, i would say ...

As I said: It would be best if I could point to a piece of their code 
and to a paragraph in the current autoconf docs and show a syntax error 
in the input.

Stefan Neis wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Thomas Hoffmann wrote:
> 
> 
> But using which autoconf version? wxWindows for example is still using
> 2.13 even though most (All?) of the "bugs" for autoconf-2.5x seem to be
> fixed, meanwhile. Or if they are using 2.56 and you are using something
> slightly older, that might also explain your problem. In short: Make
> sure you're using the exact same version on OS/2 that others are using
> on Unix... :-(
> 


**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:41:38 +0300 (MSK)
From:  "nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:38:23 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>> >As I understand it, this will restrict usage to people running W4 FP13+.
>> >Is that the case?
>> >Personally I would prefer not to force such a restriction on anyone. 
>> There is no strict dependence between Security/2 able to run and OS/2 fixpack level. Some os/2 kernels have 
bugs 
>> in SES KPI, some works ok. The actual OS/2 revisions suitable for Security/2 can be determined only after 
testing. 
>> Currently, i know only that ACP1 kernel 14.062 has bugs. Except kernel there is not other modules that may 
broke 
>> Security/2 work.
>> 
>> Also, i do not think that providing a broad compatibility for all os/2 systems is wise decision, thus ibm closes 
>> support for old revisions. We already have mostly 16 bit os/2 kernel as the result of such approach.
> 
>I just don't like the idea of forcing people to upgrade systems which are 
>running perfectly well - it has the smell of upgraditis and reminds me too 
>much of the Microsoft way.

 Dont worry, be happy ;) For getting Security/2 to work you can replace only kernel, if it will be neccessary. There 
is no need to install full fixpacks, just spend some time to choose a proper kernel within your OS/2 version scope.

>Would it be passible to use SES if detected and something else if not?

All is possible, but not all is reasonable ;)



**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:41:38 +0300 (MSK)
From:  "nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:38:23 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>> >As I understand it, this will restrict usage to people running W4 FP13+.
>> >Is that the case?
>> >Personally I would prefer not to force such a restriction on anyone. 
>> There is no strict dependence between Security/2 able to run and OS/2 fixpack level. Some os/2 kernels have 
bugs 
>> in SES KPI, some works ok. The actual OS/2 revisions suitable for Security/2 can be determined only after 
testing. 
>> Currently, i know only that ACP1 kernel 14.062 has bugs. Except kernel there is not other modules that may 
broke 
>> Security/2 work.
>> 
>> Also, i do not think that providing a broad compatibility for all os/2 systems is wise decision, thus ibm closes 
>> support for old revisions. We already have mostly 16 bit os/2 kernel as the result of such approach.
> 
>I just don't like the idea of forcing people to upgrade systems which are 
>running perfectly well - it has the smell of upgraditis and reminds me too 
>much of the Microsoft way.

 Dont worry, be happy ;) For getting Security/2 to work you can replace only kernel, if it will be neccessary. There 
is no need to install full fixpacks, just spend some time to choose a proper kernel within your OS/2 version scope.

>Would it be passible to use SES if detected and something else if not?

All is possible, but not all is reasonable ;)



**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:43:40 +0300 (MSK)
From:  "nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:38:23 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>Personally, I have no idea which version of OS/2 most people use, although 
>I suspect the majority on this list are reasonably up to date. I remember 
>upgrading to FP13 was a major struggle on one of my systems and discovered 
>it simply wouldn't run, so now I have to remember that certain programs 
>simply won't work on that machine - this came as something of a culture 
>shock as every version of OS/2 I had ever tried would run on every machine 
>I had. I suspect the majority of OS/2 users are not running a version at 
>the required level to use SES and I wouldn't want to alienate them.

I want people to test Security/2 on wide range of os/2 revisions, on different kernels. Then we will have a 
compatibility list and the life will become more happy ;)



**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:43:40 +0300 (MSK)
From:  "nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:38:23 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>Personally, I have no idea which version of OS/2 most people use, although 
>I suspect the majority on this list are reasonably up to date. I remember 
>upgrading to FP13 was a major struggle on one of my systems and discovered 
>it simply wouldn't run, so now I have to remember that certain programs 
>simply won't work on that machine - this came as something of a culture 
>shock as every version of OS/2 I had ever tried would run on every machine 
>I had. I suspect the majority of OS/2 users are not running a version at 
>the required level to use SES and I wouldn't want to alienate them.

I want people to test Security/2 on wide range of os/2 revisions, on different kernels. Then we will have a 
compatibility list and the life will become more happy ;)



**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:04:41 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:53:04PM +0200, Sergey Yevtushenko wrote:

> I suspect you met problems with some old software built using Borland 
> tools. If so - just repack binaries using lxlite and this will fix 
> problem with FP#13+.

No the problem was far more serious than that. Changes to the kernel in 
FP13 force this particular computer to reboot as soon as OS2KRNL loads.

I've never got to the bottom of the problem, but it's obviously hardware 
related, and likely to be due to the CPU used which is 486SLC3 AFAICR.
 
> > Would it be passible to use SES if detected and something else if not?
> 
> I think this can be hidden inside pwd() library.

That would be an excellent solution, if someone was able to come up with 
it.
 
> Thanks.



-- 
John 


**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:04:41 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:53:04PM +0200, Sergey Yevtushenko wrote:

> I suspect you met problems with some old software built using Borland 
> tools. If so - just repack binaries using lxlite and this will fix 
> problem with FP#13+.

No the problem was far more serious than that. Changes to the kernel in 
FP13 force this particular computer to reboot as soon as OS2KRNL loads.

I've never got to the bottom of the problem, but it's obviously hardware 
related, and likely to be due to the CPU used which is 486SLC3 AFAICR.
 
> > Would it be passible to use SES if detected and something else if not?
> 
> I think this can be hidden inside pwd() library.

That would be an excellent solution, if someone was able to come up with 
it.
 
> Thanks.



-- 
John 


**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:16:11 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 01:53:22PM -0600, ERACC Lists wrote:
>  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org> did rant:
> 
> [...]
> +Personally, I have no idea which version of OS/2 most people use,
> +although  I suspect the majority on this list are reasonably up to date.
> [...]
> 
> We are still running Warp 4 FP 12. Plan to move to eCS once cash flow
> gets better. :-)

FP13 is free and is a major upgrade for Warp 4.

 
> Gene <gene at eracc.hypermart.net>
> -- 
> +=========================-=>Unix & OS/2<=-=========================+
> #   Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA    #
> # eCS,OS/2,UnixWare,OpenServer & Linux Business Computing Solutions #
> #     Please visit our www pages at http://eracc.hypermart.net/     #
> +===================================================================+
>                We run IBM OS/2 v.4.00, Revision 9.036                
>   Sysinfo: 40 Processes, 155 Threads, uptime is 7d 0h 11m 24s 275ms  
> 

-- 
John



**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:16:11 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 01:53:22PM -0600, ERACC Lists wrote:
>  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org> did rant:
> 
> [...]
> +Personally, I have no idea which version of OS/2 most people use,
> +although  I suspect the majority on this list are reasonably up to date.
> [...]
> 
> We are still running Warp 4 FP 12. Plan to move to eCS once cash flow
> gets better. :-)

FP13 is free and is a major upgrade for Warp 4.

 
> Gene <gene at eracc.hypermart.net>
> -- 
> +=========================-=>Unix & OS/2<=-=========================+
> #   Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA    #
> # eCS,OS/2,UnixWare,OpenServer & Linux Business Computing Solutions #
> #     Please visit our www pages at http://eracc.hypermart.net/     #
> +===================================================================+
>                We run IBM OS/2 v.4.00, Revision 9.036                
>   Sysinfo: 40 Processes, 155 Threads, uptime is 7d 0h 11m 24s 275ms  
> 

-- 
John



**= Email   11 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:08:28 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:   Open Group - basic utilities specification


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I'm attaching a file in html format which is a browsable list of the 
utilities defined by the Open Group's Single UNIX Specification, Version 3.

You can load up the file in a browser and use it as index to the actual 
list - it's pretty handy.


I think we have most of these in some archive of other, although I'm not 
sure that we can ever duplicate the full list...


-- 
John


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<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/logger.html" target="main">logger</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/logname.html" target="main">logname</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/lp.html" target="main">lp</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/ls.html" target="main">ls</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/m4.html" target="main">m4</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/mailx.html" target="main">mailx</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/make.html" target="main">make</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/man.html" target="main">man</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/mesg.html" target="main">mesg</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/mkdir.html" target="main">mkdir</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/mkfifo.html" target="main">mkfifo</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/more.html" target="main">more</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/mv.html" target="main">mv</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/newgrp.html" target="main">newgrp</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/nice.html" target="main">nice</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/nl.html" target="main">nl</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/nm.html" target="main">nm</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/nohup.html" target="main">nohup</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/od.html" target="main">od</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/paste.html" target="main">paste</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/patch.html" target="main">patch</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/pathchk.html" target="main">pathchk</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/pax.html" target="main">pax</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/pr.html" target="main">pr</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/printf.html" target="main">printf</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/prs.html" target="main">prs</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/ps.html" target="main">ps</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/pwd.html" target="main">pwd</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qalter.html" target="main">qalter</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qdel.html" target="main">qdel</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qhold.html" target="main">qhold</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qmove.html" target="main">qmove</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qmsg.html" target="main">qmsg</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qrerun.html" target="main">qrerun</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qrls.html" target="main">qrls</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qselect.html" target="main">qselect</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qsig.html" target="main">qsig</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qstat.html" target="main">qstat</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/qsub.html" target="main">qsub</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/read.html" target="main">read</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/readonly.html" target="main">readonly</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/renice.html" target="main">renice</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/return.html" target="main">return</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/rm.html" target="main">rm</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/rmdel.html" target="main">rmdel</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/rmdir.html" target="main">rmdir</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/sact.html" target="main">sact</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/sccs.html" target="main">sccs</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/sed.html" target="main">sed</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/set.html" target="main">set</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/sh.html" target="main">sh</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/shift.html" target="main">shift</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/sleep.html" target="main">sleep</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/sort.html" target="main">sort</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/split.html" target="main">split</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/strings.html" target="main">strings</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/strip.html" target="main">strip</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/stty.html" target="main">stty</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/tabs.html" target="main">tabs</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/tail.html" target="main">tail</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/talk.html" target="main">talk</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/tee.html" target="main">tee</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/test.html" target="main">test</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/time.html" target="main">time</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/times.html" target="main">times</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/touch.html" target="main">touch</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/tput.html" target="main">tput</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/tr.html" target="main">tr</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/trap.html" target="main">trap</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/true.html" target="main">true</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/tsort.html" target="main">tsort</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/tty.html" target="main">tty</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/type.html" target="main">type</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/ulimit.html" target="main">ulimit</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/umask.html" target="main">umask</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/unalias.html" target="main">unalias</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uname.html" target="main">uname</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uncompress.html" target="main">uncompress</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/unexpand.html" target="main">unexpand</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/unget.html" target="main">unget</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uniq.html" target="main">uniq</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/unlink.html" target="main">unlink</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/unset.html" target="main">unset</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uucp.html" target="main">uucp</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uudecode.html" target="main">uudecode</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uuencode.html" target="main">uuencode</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uustat.html" target="main">uustat</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/uux.html" target="main">uux</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/val.html" target="main">val</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/vi.html" target="main">vi</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/wait.html" target="main">wait</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/wc.html" target="main">wc</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/what.html" target="main">what</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/who.html" target="main">who</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/write.html" target="main">write</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/xargs.html" target="main">xargs</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/yacc.html" target="main">yacc</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/zcat.html" target="main">zcat</a>
</li>
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Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:08:28 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:   Open Group - basic utilities specification


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I'm attaching a file in html format which is a browsable list of the 
utilities defined by the Open Group's Single UNIX Specification, Version 3.

You can load up the file in a browser and use it as index to the actual 
list - it's pretty handy.


I think we have most of these in some archive of other, although I'm not 
sure that we can ever duplicate the full list...


-- 
John


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<h2>Utilities</h2>


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<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/admin.html" target="main">admin</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/alias.html" target="main">alias</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/ar.html" target="main">ar</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/asa.html" target="main">asa</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/at.html" target="main">at</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/awk.html" target="main">awk</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/basename.html" target="main">basename</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/batch.html" target="main">batch</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/bc.html" target="main">bc</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/bg.html" target="main">bg</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/break.html" target="main">break</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/c99.html" target="main">c99</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cal.html" target="main">cal</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cat.html" target="main">cat</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cd.html" target="main">cd</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cflow.html" target="main">cflow</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/chgrp.html" target="main">chgrp</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/chmod.html" target="main">chmod</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/chown.html" target="main">chown</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cksum.html" target="main">cksum</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cmp.html" target="main">cmp</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/colon.html" target="main">colon</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/comm.html" target="main">comm</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/command.html" target="main">command</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/compress.html" target="main">compress</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/continue.html" target="main">continue</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cp.html" target="main">cp</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/crontab.html" target="main">crontab</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/csplit.html" target="main">csplit</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/ctags.html" target="main">ctags</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cut.html" target="main">cut</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/cxref.html" target="main">cxref</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/date.html" target="main">date</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/dd.html" target="main">dd</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/delta.html" target="main">delta</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/df.html" target="main">df</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/diff.html" target="main">diff</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/dirname.html" target="main">dirname</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/dot.html" target="main">dot</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/du.html" target="main">du</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/echo.html" target="main">echo</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/ed.html" target="main">ed</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/env.html" target="main">env</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/eval.html" target="main">eval</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/ex.html" target="main">ex</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/exec.html" target="main">exec</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/exit.html" target="main">exit</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/expand.html" target="main">expand</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/export.html" target="main">export</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/expr.html" target="main">expr</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/false.html" target="main">false</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/fc.html" target="main">fc</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/fg.html" target="main">fg</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/file.html" target="main">file</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/find.html" target="main">find</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/fold.html" target="main">fold</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/fort77.html" target="main">fort77</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/fuser.html" target="main">fuser</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/gencat.html" target="main">gencat</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/get.html" target="main">get</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/getconf.html" target="main">getconf</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/getopts.html" target="main">getopts</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/grep.html" target="main">grep</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/hash.html" target="main">hash</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/head.html" target="main">head</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/iconv.html" target="main">iconv</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/utilities/id.html" target="main">id</a>
</li>
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Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:40:18 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:   ctags


Where is the definitive source for CTAGS?

I have seen such a program for OS/2, although I don't remember where it 
came from. Is anyone familiar with it?


-- 
John


**= Email   14 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:40:18 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:   ctags


Where is the definitive source for CTAGS?

I have seen such a program for OS/2, although I don't remember where it 
came from. Is anyone familiar with it?


-- 
John


**= Email   15 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:55:52 -0500
From:  Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
Subject:  Re:  gcc and Mozilla

Ted Sikora wrote:
> 
> Somebody said remove Set C_Include_Path=  Does this seem right?

Yes, gcc 3.x knows how to find emx/include without that setting, and
unsetting it ensures that gcc checks the new ones in
lib/gcc-lib/[...]/include first.

h~

**= Email   16 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:55:52 -0500
From:  Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
Subject:  Re:  gcc and Mozilla

Ted Sikora wrote:
> 
> Somebody said remove Set C_Include_Path=  Does this seem right?

Yes, gcc 3.x knows how to find emx/include without that setting, and
unsetting it ensures that gcc checks the new ones in
lib/gcc-lib/[...]/include first.

h~

**= Email   17 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:59:47 -0500
From:  Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
Subject:  Re:  gcc and Mozilla

Stefan Neis wrote:
> 
> If possible, using -fno-rtti and -fno-exceptions (for all
> files) as well as not building debug versions of some specific files helps
> on _all_ platforms to avoid those (not so) rare problems, that's just how
> things are.  :-(

That's been the default setting for all gcc builds of Mozilla since the
conversion from C to C++.

h~

**= Email   18 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:59:47 -0500
From:  Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
Subject:  Re:  gcc and Mozilla

Stefan Neis wrote:
> 
> If possible, using -fno-rtti and -fno-exceptions (for all
> files) as well as not building debug versions of some specific files helps
> on _all_ platforms to avoid those (not so) rare problems, that's just how
> things are.  :-(

That's been the default setting for all gcc builds of Mozilla since the
conversion from C to C++.

h~

**= Email   19 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:12:24 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  ctags

On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 02:40:18PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> Where is the definitive source for CTAGS?


It appears to be on Sourceforge:-

http://ctags.sourceorge.net


There even appears to be an uptodate binary available for OS/2 which is 
listed as ec54os2.zip but unfortunately it doesn't exist ...

Looks like OS/2 isn't supported any more :-(...



-- 
John




**= Email   20 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:12:24 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  ctags

On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 02:40:18PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> Where is the definitive source for CTAGS?


It appears to be on Sourceforge:-

http://ctags.sourceorge.net


There even appears to be an uptodate binary available for OS/2 which is 
listed as ec54os2.zip but unfortunately it doesn't exist ...

Looks like OS/2 isn't supported any more :-(...



-- 
John




**= Email   21 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:13:33 -0500
From:  Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
Subject:  Re:  gcc and Mozilla

John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> Why do you use BASH?

It's been bash since the src code was released, and makes things easier
when you have one set of makefiles for multiple platforms.

As for the other tools, Mozilla tends towards lowest-common-denominator
support and checks for minimum versions during configure. The versions
specified for OS/2 builds are more a means of making things easier, i.e.
they're known to work, than an absolute requirement (unless they're the
minimum). They reduce the chances of an attempted build failing, and
it's easier for someone else to look at the problem if we're all on the
same page.

h~

**= Email   22 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:13:33 -0500
From:  Henry Sobotka <sobotka at axess.com>
Subject:  Re:  gcc and Mozilla

John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> Why do you use BASH?

It's been bash since the src code was released, and makes things easier
when you have one set of makefiles for multiple platforms.

As for the other tools, Mozilla tends towards lowest-common-denominator
support and checks for minimum versions during configure. The versions
specified for OS/2 builds are more a means of making things easier, i.e.
they're known to work, than an absolute requirement (unless they're the
minimum). They reduce the chances of an attempted build failing, and
it's easier for someone else to look at the problem if we're all on the
same page.

h~

**= Email   23 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:26:47 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:   Open Watcom C/C++ 1.0 beta


Open Watcom C/C++ 1.0 beta is now available here:-

ftp://ftp.openwatcom.org/watcom/openwatcom/1.0_beta/open-watcom-c-os2-1.0.exe

I guess this must be our long term replacement for VAC++.

Wonder if it can be used for building anything like Perl...

-- 
John


**= Email   24 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:26:47 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:   Open Watcom C/C++ 1.0 beta


Open Watcom C/C++ 1.0 beta is now available here:-

ftp://ftp.openwatcom.org/watcom/openwatcom/1.0_beta/open-watcom-c-os2-1.0.exe

I guess this must be our long term replacement for VAC++.

Wonder if it can be used for building anything like Perl...

-- 
John


**= Email   25 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:36:34 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  Perl build hang

On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 10:09:25PM +0000, Lyn St George wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:15:03 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> >
> >If anything, it's probably a TCP/IP issue. I have been testing DHCP and 
> >messing with SETUP.CMD which may have had some knock on effect on Perl, 
> >especially when running a socket test.
> > 
> 
> Is your local loopback still working?
> I remember having a problem with perl, which turned out to be caused
> by an alteration I had made in config.sys, even though, if it hadn't 
> been for the problem, I would have sworn black and blue that my
> config.sys had not changed at all !!

It looks as though it is related to some hostname resolution problems.

I had RESOLV pointing at a misconfigured DNS entry for my old domain.

> -
> Cheers
> Lyn St George
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> + http://www.zolotek.net .. eCommerce hosting, consulting
> + http://www.os2docs.org .. some 'How To' stuff ...
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
John
 


**= Email   26 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:36:34 +0000
From:  John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org>
Subject:  Re:  Perl build hang

On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 10:09:25PM +0000, Lyn St George wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:15:03 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> >
> >If anything, it's probably a TCP/IP issue. I have been testing DHCP and 
> >messing with SETUP.CMD which may have had some knock on effect on Perl, 
> >especially when running a socket test.
> > 
> 
> Is your local loopback still working?
> I remember having a problem with perl, which turned out to be caused
> by an alteration I had made in config.sys, even though, if it hadn't 
> been for the problem, I would have sworn black and blue that my
> config.sys had not changed at all !!

It looks as though it is related to some hostname resolution problems.

I had RESOLV pointing at a misconfigured DNS entry for my old domain.

> -
> Cheers
> Lyn St George
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> + http://www.zolotek.net .. eCommerce hosting, consulting
> + http://www.os2docs.org .. some 'How To' stuff ...
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
John
 


**= Email   27 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:55:37 +0300 (MSK)
From:  "nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:04:41 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>> > Would it be passible to use SES if detected and something else if not?
>> 
>> I think this can be hidden inside pwd() library.
>
>That would be an excellent solution, if someone was able to come up with 
>it.
> 
>> Thanks.

what you like to have from libpwd what the s/2 is not enstalled - some stub or complete passwd file handling ? 



**= Email   28 ==========================**

Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:55:37 +0300 (MSK)
From:  "nickk" <devnull at ecomstation.ru>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:04:41 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>> > Would it be passible to use SES if detected and something else if not?
>> 
>> I think this can be hidden inside pwd() library.
>
>That would be an excellent solution, if someone was able to come up with 
>it.
> 
>> Thanks.

what you like to have from libpwd what the s/2 is not enstalled - some stub or complete passwd file handling ? 



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Date:  Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:55:53 -0800 (PST)
From:  Steve Wendt <stevew at shocking.com>
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, John Poltorak wrote:

> > We are still running Warp 4 FP 12. Plan to move to eCS once cash flow
> > gets better. :-)
>
> FP13 is free and is a major upgrade for Warp 4.

But not recommended... use FP15 (or FP16 if you can get it).



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Date:  Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:41:56 -0600
From:  email at eracc.hypermart.net (ERACC Lists)
Subject:  Re:  PASSWD handling

 In: <20030108091611.L83 at manninghammills.org>
 On: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:16:11 +0000
 Screaming: Re:  PASSWD handling
 John Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org> did rant:

+On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 01:53:22PM -0600, ERACC Lists wrote: >  John
+Poltorak <jp at manninghammills.org> did rant:
+> 
+> [...]
+> +Personally, I have no idea which version of OS/2 most people use,
+> +although  I suspect the majority on this list are reasonably up to date.
+> [...]
+> 
+> We are still running Warp 4 FP 12. Plan to move to eCS once cash flow
+> gets better. :-)

+FP13 is free and is a major upgrade for Warp 4.

Yup. And it breaks old software we rely on that is no longer being
updated by the original developer, is not open source and is still
under a restrictive license. Therefore we are waiting until we can
get cash to upgrade to eCS and replace the outdated software at the
same time. :-)

Gene <gene at eracc.hypermart.net>
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