From: UnixOS2 Archive To: "UnixOS2 Archive" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:41:14 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 379 ************************************************** Sunday 24 November 2002 Number 379 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Which upload site to use? : IanM" 2 UNIXOS2.org upgrade news : IanM" 3 Re: ANN: GNAT 3.15p binary for OS/2 available : IanM" 4 Re: ANN: GNAT 3.15p binary for OS/2 available : IanM" 5 Re: Pine 4.50 : John Poltorak 6 Ghoscript - Russels's answer : Adrian Gschwend" 7 Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer : John Poltorak 8 Re: RANLIB.exe : John Poltorak 9 Re: Ghostscript 7.05 : Voytek Eymont 10 Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer : Stefan Neis 11 Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer : John Poltorak 12 Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer : Adrian Gschwend" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:19:21 +1100 (EDT) From: "IanM" Subject: Re: Which upload site to use? Hi Dave >I've just had a look at unix.os2site.com and I see that >things have changed quite a lot since I was last there. :-) >Specifically, I could not find any developer stuff such >as gcc/emx/gnat on unixos2 but I could find some on the >linked os2ports site. developers are given write access to /pub/binary/'package' and /pub/source/'package' directorys ie, if you are doing gnat, then I can setup directories as such :- /pub/binary/gnat/ /pub/source/gnat/ /pub/dev/gcc/emx/gnat/ The website itself is specifically for UNIXOS/2 packages, as hobbes, os2ports, and os2site all have the otherstuff anyway, and its becoming very time consuming to replicate everything everywere, so unixos2.com reverts back to the UNIXOS2 project, with packages that can be installed by the unixos2 installer. Happy to give you some space.. >One problem I found was that I didn't seem to be able to >search for file names, only for strings within documents >on unixos2, so I may have missed them. >This seems like an omission to me if it is really true >that you can't search for files by name. Bugger, learn something new everyday ! dont search with underscores in the search word, ie do a search on gcc30-diffs-0621.zip will not find that file BUT do a seach on gcc30 will. >Has there been an intentional split which I missed? Just a change of premises. >Which is now the preferred site to which Gnat 3.15p >should be uploaded? if its a unixos2 installable package, or will become one, then here probably best to upload it to hobbes, as os2site.com will automatically grab it from there, and I will then add it to the 'nonunixos2' directory at unixos2.com if its not a unixos2 package. Confused ? Sorry. Ted, were do you get your files from ? >Or I can upload it to my home page and any maintainers >can fetch it if they are interested. Thats also a great idea, and let this list know and we can then grab it. I'd put it on hobbes as well though. Cheers IanM http://www.os2site.com/ Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:23:35 +1100 (EDT) From: "IanM" Subject: UNIXOS2.org upgrade news Hi everyone The line upgrade for my servers is still waiting to happen, so much for it happening in september :-( Its is now scheduled to happen on 14th Dec, and they have promised me it will happen. I'll believe it when it happens. Cheers IanM http://www.os2site.com/ When life gets weird, the weird get a life. :) **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:24:28 +1100 (EDT) From: "IanM" Subject: Re: ANN: GNAT 3.15p binary for OS/2 available Hi John >It's always nice to see OS/2 versions updated, but I've just noticed that >the link I got set up at:- > >http://www.gnuada.org > >for an OS/2 version of ADA is no longer valid. >The link is to:- >http://unix.os2site.com/ada missing the end "/", I'll go put another Alias in httpd.conf. Cheers IanM http://www.os2site.com/ "My mom said she learned how to swim. Someone took her out in the lake and threw her off the boat. That's how she learned how to swim. I said, 'Mom, they weren't trying to teach you how to swim.' " --Paula Poundstone **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:17:11 +1100 (EDT) From: "IanM" Subject: Re: ANN: GNAT 3.15p binary for OS/2 available Hi John >OK, I see it now, but that isn't the page I meant. There was a >nice homepage put together, either by Ted or John Merryweather Cooper >which had loads of ADA links. Could you get hold of that? I've asked ted if he could make a CD copy for me of the original website as I dont have that. If someone has a copy, feel free to send it to me. Cheers IanM http://www.os2site.com/ "I was a vegetarian until I started leaning towards sunlight." --Rita Rudner **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:18:33 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Pine 4.50 On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:46:13AM +1100, Nicholas Sheppard wrote: > I've just uploaded Pine 4.50 for OS/2 to Hobbes; it should be appearing > in the usual locations soon. It's nice to see another updated app for OS/2. > For people who like to live on the edge: > > I've also compiled an experimental version of Pine for OS/2 using a > re-vamped build process with the aim of bringing the OS/2 version closer > to the Unix version and therefore easier to maintain. It also adds some > features that are missing in the standard port. In particular: > > * Vio*() calls have been replaced with the ncurses code from Unix; > Pine and Pico should now run in xterm under XFree86/OS2. There > are still some bugs in this but it is usable. > > * The IMAP and POP servers now compile, but getting them to do > anything useful is still an adventure. I'd love to get an IMAP server working. Has anyone tried this out yet? > http://www.zeta.org.au/~nps/software/pine/en/index.html > > > Nicholas S. > > |\ Location: Wollongong, Australia | Nothing astonishes people so much as > |\ E-mail: nps at zeta.org.au | common sense and plain dealing. > | WWW: http://www.zeta.org.au/~nps | > | ---> Cynicism & Negativity | -- John **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:39:10 +0100 (CET) From: "Adrian Gschwend" Subject: Ghoscript - Russels's answer Hi all, I got a mail back from Russel about ghostscript, looks like he already did more so he definitely won't use wxWindows :-/ Anyway, I'm not sure how to interpret it, does he want to drop the Win32 version as well or is he talking about OS/2 if he writes "yet another platform"? Looks like we have to do something by ourself in a long term (or finish Everblue :) cu Adrian ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Return-Path: >Received: from gateway.ghostgum.net (CPE-144-132-1-78.vic.bigpond.net.au > [144.132.1.78]) by warped.netlabs.org (Weasel v1.5) for ; > 24 Nov 2002 10:53:42 >Received: from tbird ([192.168.1.6]) > by gateway.ghostgum.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAO9qf0w011569 > for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:52:43 +1100 >From: "Russell Lang" >To: "Adrian Gschwend" >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:53:37 +1000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: gsview GUI >Reply-to: gsview at ghostgum.com.au >Message-ID: <3DE13C51.21172.68A91C8 at localhost> >Priority: normal >In-reply-to: <200211211619.0000019H at warped.netlabs.org> >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Content-description: Mail message body > Adrian, Thanks for your comments. I no longer actively use OS/2. At this stage I continue to test ghostscript and GSview on OS/2 and make sure they keep working. I am using EMX/GCC for development and I do not have any debugging facilities which makes fixing problems difficult. I am aware that there are a number of OS/2 users who are still using GSview. When I complete my rewrite of GSview, I intend to keep the old version running for several years for OS/2. At this stage the rewrite is progressing slowly, and I do not have time to do an OS/2 version as well as the Windows and gtk+ versions. The gtk+ version is about half finished. The Windows version has had a few false starts, but I should get to doing some serious work on it this summer. I can't support yet another platform. Someone else may wish to do so. The new GSview is written with platform independent code clearly separated from the platform dependent code. It would be reasonable for someone to write OS/2 platform dependent code (using the old GSview OS/2 code as a starting point) or wxWindows GUI code. I personally do not have the time to do so. Russell From: "Adrian Gschwend" To: "gsview at ghostgum.com.au" Date sent: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:19:48 +0100 Send reply to: "Adrian Gschwend" Priority: Normal Subject: gsview GUI > Hi Russel, > > We just have/had a longer discussion on one OS/2 mailinglist about > future versions of gsview. I've heard that you do not plan to provide > an OS/2 version in the future. I can absolutely understand your > decissions but I look for some alternatives to the situation. So far > I've heard (and please correct me when I'm wrong) that you plan to > write the windows-version in MFC and the Linux version in GTK. > > There is another option and probably you already heard about that: > wxWindows. It's a very much MFC-like cross platform class library > available for Win32, Linux, MacOS (X) and also OS/2. The good thing > about is that each platform looks like other applications on this > platform look like. The Linux version for example is using GTK itself > to draw the stuff. > > It would be nice if you could consider that as sollution, like this you > avoid to maintain several versions (like MFC and GTK) and I don't have > to mention that the OS/2 community would benefit as well ;) > > More information about wxWindows can be found at www.wxwindows.org. BTW > the OSA Foundation (http://www.osafoundation.org) decided to use > wxWindows for their cross-plattform Outlook-like application, this will > definitely improve wxWindows overall I guess. > Beside this I'm very happy with the support of the wxWindows core > developers, I'm using it for 4 weeks now and everytime I had questions > they got answered within hours in the mailinglist. > > hope I gave you a nice idea to think about :-)) > > cu & thanks for your support > > Adrian > > > -- > Adrian Gschwend > at netlabs.org > > ktk [a t] netlabs.org > ------- > Free Software for OS/2 and eCS > http://www.netlabs.org > Russell Lang gsview at ghostgum.com.au Ghostgum Software Pty Ltd http://www.ghostgum.com.au/ ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== -- Adrian Gschwend at netlabs.org ktk [a t] netlabs.org ------- Free Software for OS/2 and eCS http://www.netlabs.org **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:52:32 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:39:10AM +0100, Adrian Gschwend wrote: > Hi all, > > I got a mail back from Russel about ghostscript, looks like he already > did more so he definitely won't use wxWindows :-/ > > Anyway, I'm not sure how to interpret it, does he want to drop the > Win32 version as well or is he talking about OS/2 if he writes "yet > another platform"? He means OS/2. What I'm not sure about is whether he understands that wxWindows can be used so that he doesn't need to maintain both Unix and Windows versions independently (assuming that I'm correct about the capabilities of wxWindows...) > Looks like we have to do something by ourself in a long term (or finish > Everblue :) It sounds as though GSView will be split up into platform independent backend and a platform specific GUI frontend. It sounds as though we need to convert one of the frontends to wxWindows and the show Russell how useful it is, if it actually is... Maybe then he would continue with it... Does anyone know which is easier to convert from Unix or Win32? > cu > > Adrian > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== > >Return-Path: > >Received: from gateway.ghostgum.net (CPE-144-132-1-78.vic.bigpond.net.au > > [144.132.1.78]) by warped.netlabs.org (Weasel v1.5) for ; > > 24 Nov 2002 10:53:42 > >Received: from tbird ([192.168.1.6]) > > by gateway.ghostgum.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAO9qf0w011569 > > for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:52:43 +1100 > >From: "Russell Lang" > >To: "Adrian Gschwend" > >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:53:37 +1000 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Subject: Re: gsview GUI > >Reply-to: gsview at ghostgum.com.au > >Message-ID: <3DE13C51.21172.68A91C8 at localhost> > >Priority: normal > >In-reply-to: <200211211619.0000019H at warped.netlabs.org> > >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) > >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >Content-description: Mail message body > > > > Adrian, > > Thanks for your comments. > > I no longer actively use OS/2. At this stage I continue to test > ghostscript and GSview on OS/2 and make sure they keep working. > I am using EMX/GCC for development and I do not have any > debugging facilities which makes fixing problems difficult. > I am aware that there are a number of OS/2 users who are still > using GSview. > > When I complete my rewrite of GSview, I intend to keep the old > version running for several years for OS/2. At this stage the > rewrite is progressing slowly, and I do not have time to do an > OS/2 version as well as the Windows and gtk+ versions. > > The gtk+ version is about half finished. The Windows version > has had a few false starts, but I should get to doing some > serious work on it this summer. I can't support yet another > platform. Someone else may wish to do so. > > The new GSview is written with platform independent code clearly > separated from the platform dependent code. It would be > reasonable for someone to write OS/2 platform dependent code > (using the old GSview OS/2 code as a starting point) or > wxWindows GUI code. I personally do not have the time to do so. > > Russell > -- > Adrian Gschwend > at netlabs.org > > ktk [a t] netlabs.org > ------- > Free Software for OS/2 and eCS > http://www.netlabs.org > -- John **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:27:04 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: RANLIB.exe On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 12:10:41AM +1100, IanM wrote: > Hi > > Anyone know where ranlib.exe was from ? > Antonio uses it in his port of BIND, which I'm setting up > to try to update the package to v8.2.7 I have never come across such a program. Wherever I've see a reference to RANLIB in a Makefile it is usually equated to ECHO or 'ar.exe s'. > Cheers > IanM > http://www.os2site.com/ -- John **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:44:56 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: Ghostscript 7.05 ** Reply to note from Jack Troughton Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:37:42 -0500 > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ghostscript/gs705os2.zip?download I see gs8000os2 is there now Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt.net.au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:16:27 +0100 (CET) From: Stefan Neis Subject: Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, John Poltorak wrote: > It sounds as though GSView will be split up into platform independent > backend and a platform specific GUI frontend. Which already seems like quite a step in the right direction ... ;-) > It sounds as though we need to convert one of the frontends to wxWindows > and the show Russell how useful it is, if it actually is... Maybe then he > would continue with it... > > Does anyone know which is easier to convert from Unix or Win32? Probably Win32 as wxWindows is largely modelled to be similar to MFC. However, in view of this paragraph, I get some doubts ... > > The gtk+ version is about half finished. The Windows version > > has had a few false starts, but I should get to doing some > > serious work on it this summer. I can't support yet another > > platform. Someone else may wish to do so. No, wait, he's from Australia, isn't he? So "this summer" is actually starting right now ... But that sentence really sounds like he didn't quite understand what wxWindows is all about ... Regards, Stefan -- Micro$oft is not an answer. It is a question. The answer is 'no'. **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:08:13 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 06:01:43PM +0100, Adrian Gschwend wrote: > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:16:27 +0100 (CET), Stefan Neis wrote: > > >But that sentence really sounds like he didn't quite understand what > >wxWindows is all about ... > > I agree about that. Maybe we should really port it to wxWindows and > show him the result on Windows, Linux, OS/2 and MacOS :-) Sounds great! I'm looking forward to your port :-).... > cu > > Adrian > > > -- > Adrian Gschwend > at netlabs.org > > ktk [a t] netlabs.org > ------- > Free Software for OS/2 and eCS > http://www.netlabs.org -- John **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:01:43 +0100 (CET) From: "Adrian Gschwend" Subject: Re: Ghoscript - Russels's answer On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:16:27 +0100 (CET), Stefan Neis wrote: >Which already seems like quite a step in the right direction ... ;-) yes :-) >Probably Win32 as wxWindows is largely modelled to be similar to MFC. >However, in view of this paragraph, I get some doubts ... why? Beside this porting toolkits is never fun :-) >No, wait, he's from Australia, isn't he? So "this summer" is actually >starting right now ... ah you are right! makes sense :) >But that sentence really sounds like he didn't quite understand what >wxWindows is all about ... I agree about that. Maybe we should really port it to wxWindows and show him the result on Windows, Linux, OS/2 and MacOS :-) cu Adrian -- Adrian Gschwend at netlabs.org ktk [a t] netlabs.org ------- Free Software for OS/2 and eCS http://www.netlabs.org