From: UnixOS2 Archive To: "UnixOS2 Archive" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:39:46 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 359 ************************************************** Wednesday 30 October 2002 Number 359 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: FTP access, was Some news : IanM" 2 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : Jeff Robinson 3 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : Adrian Gschwend" 4 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : John Poltorak 5 Re: FTP access, was Some news : John Poltorak 6 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : John Poltorak 7 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : Thomas Dickey 8 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : Thomas Dickey 9 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : Vincent Marciante 10 Re: Another (similar?) build script system : Vincent Marciante 11 Re: Ports : xyzyx" 12 Re: Ports : xyzyx" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:31:41 +1100 (EDT) From: "IanM" Subject: Re: FTP access, was Some news Hi Adrian >Can I mirror the server? I have plenty of space & bandwith at >netlabs.org and I could easily mirror the whole structure if this is ok >for you I would wait until we give some more thought to the directory structure, though I cant hear any ideas coming back !! If nothing changes please feel free to mirror the site, and I'll also put a link to it on the front page. Cheers IanM http://www.os2site.com/ Microsoft Education, the first step to "Planet of the Apes." **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:48:35 -0600 From: Jeff Robinson Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system John Poltorak wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:16:03AM +0100, Adrian Gschwend wrote: > >>On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:32:28 -0600, Jeff Robinson wrote: >> >>BTW about WarpIN, when I finish my diploma work at the end of year I >>will try to implement zip-support into warpin, many people complained >>that WarpIN has a proprietary format and it's not easy to check the >>content. This would make it possible for people who don't want to use >>WarpIN to simply unzip it and people with WarpIN installed can drop the >>package to WarpIN and let it install it. > > > > WarpIN packaged can be unarchived from the command line using WIC, which > is part of the WarpIN package. > > Personally, I don't think we should get too involved in getting concerned > with the different formats of packages at this stage, there are far more > important things to do like making a UnixOS/2 distro available in some > usable state. > > > >>Adrian >> >> >>-- >>Adrian Gschwend >> at netlabs.org >> >>ktk [a t] netlabs.org >>------- >>Free Software for OS/2 and eCS >>http://www.netlabs.org >> > > > Right now I agree with John that we should stick with the UnixOS2-style packages, just as they're pretty straight-forward and don't alienate anyone. My "Ports" idea was mostly for my own, though I intentionally made it compatible so that I wouldn't have to do tonnes of extra work to use UnixOS2 packages with it. (Sort've the best-of-both-worlds concept). Though on that note, I do think it would be interesting to have something like "Ports" so that it can use UnixOS2 packages and doesn't affect the core UnixOS2 project at all... it's just sort've an alternative. But John is right in that the packages themselves need more attention at the moment; "Ports" is just "user empowerment". Jeff -- ---------------- Whatza JamochaMUD? http://jamochamud.anecho.mb.ca Or other stuff: http://www.anecho.mb.ca/~jeffnik ----------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:16:03 +0100 (CET) From: "Adrian Gschwend" Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:32:28 -0600, Jeff Robinson wrote: Hi Jeff, >Over the summer I had dabbled in creating something along these lines, >though much more simplified (not using makefiles but REXX scripts); >though my intentions weren't directly UnixOS2 related. My system would >fetch an archive from the net, repackage it as a WarpIN archive and then >install it if the user wanted. Of course, something like this could >probably be changed to called the existing pkgtool instead. One of the >things I did do though was make extend the UnixOS2 pkgfile for my own >purposes, but ensured that my scripts will still work with a regular >UnixOS2 package. >(The scoop is at >http://www.anecho.mb.ca/~jeffnik/programming/Ports/index.html ) > >If there's anything usable in the scripts I've already created, folks >can feel free to incorporate them into something new. Very interesting reading, I am quite busy right now so I didn't read it carefuly yet. But I'm very interested in this idea and I would like to support it with netlabs as good as I can. BTW about WarpIN, when I finish my diploma work at the end of year I will try to implement zip-support into warpin, many people complained that WarpIN has a proprietary format and it's not easy to check the content. This would make it possible for people who don't want to use WarpIN to simply unzip it and people with WarpIN installed can drop the package to WarpIN and let it install it. But anyway, the ports approach is very interesting for unixos2 and I would like to push this idea cu Adrian -- Adrian Gschwend at netlabs.org ktk [a t] netlabs.org ------- Free Software for OS/2 and eCS http://www.netlabs.org **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:30:31 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:16:03AM +0100, Adrian Gschwend wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:32:28 -0600, Jeff Robinson wrote: > > BTW about WarpIN, when I finish my diploma work at the end of year I > will try to implement zip-support into warpin, many people complained > that WarpIN has a proprietary format and it's not easy to check the > content. This would make it possible for people who don't want to use > WarpIN to simply unzip it and people with WarpIN installed can drop the > package to WarpIN and let it install it. WarpIN packaged can be unarchived from the command line using WIC, which is part of the WarpIN package. Personally, I don't think we should get too involved in getting concerned with the different formats of packages at this stage, there are far more important things to do like making a UnixOS/2 distro available in some usable state. > Adrian > > > -- > Adrian Gschwend > at netlabs.org > > ktk [a t] netlabs.org > ------- > Free Software for OS/2 and eCS > http://www.netlabs.org > -- John **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:32:52 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: FTP access, was Some news On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:31:41AM +1100, IanM wrote: > Hi Adrian > > >Can I mirror the server? I have plenty of space & bandwith at > >netlabs.org and I could easily mirror the whole structure if this is ok > >for you > > I would wait until we give some more thought to the directory > structure, though I cant hear any ideas coming back !! I would prefer a deeper directory structure, more in keeping with a standard Linux distro. I don't actually see too much wrong with the one used originally. What I would like to ensure is some sort of division between miscellaneous ports, and those which should be regarded as 'official' UnixOS/2 packages. > If nothing changes please feel free to mirror the site, and I'll > also put a link to it on the front page. > > Cheers > IanM > http://www.os2site.com/ > > > Microsoft Education, the first step to "Planet of the Apes." -- John **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:46:16 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:54:37PM -0500, Vincent Marciante wrote: > Hello, > > http://www.lnx-bbc.org/garchitecture.html > > is used by > > http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ > > I saw this while surfing and though that it > might interest John P. It seemed to me to > have a purpose similar to that of the UnixOS/2 > build scripts. Maybe some part of it could > be useful to UnixOS/2. I've had a quick look at this but don't really appreciate it's significance... AIUI most Unix programs can be built from source simply by running Configure and Make. I would like this to be the case for OS/2 eventually too, although some already can, given the correct build environment, so I don't think that assembling a collection of Makefiles, as seems to be the case with GAR, is an improvement on the GNU Build System which uses Autoconf and Automake. As I say, I only had the briefest of looks, so if I have this all wrong, please correct me. > Thanks for all of the work that you have already > done. (I'll try to help with GNU Ada if I can :) > > Vinny -- John **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:21:38 -0500 From: Thomas Dickey Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:46:16PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:54:37PM -0500, Vincent Marciante wrote: > > Hello, > > > > http://www.lnx-bbc.org/garchitecture.html > > > > is used by > > > > http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ > > > > I saw this while surfing and though that it > > might interest John P. It seemed to me to > > have a purpose similar to that of the UnixOS/2 > > build scripts. Maybe some part of it could > > be useful to UnixOS/2. > > I've had a quick look at this but don't really appreciate it's > significance... AIUI most Unix programs can be built from source simply by > running Configure and Make. I would like this to be the case for OS/2 > eventually too, although some already can, given the correct build > environment, so I don't think that assembling a collection of Makefiles, > as seems to be the case with GAR, is an improvement on the GNU Build > System which uses Autoconf and Automake. The whole point of the BSD ports is that customized makefiles are preferred to configure scripts. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:21:38 -0500 From: Thomas Dickey Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:46:16PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:54:37PM -0500, Vincent Marciante wrote: > > Hello, > > > > http://www.lnx-bbc.org/garchitecture.html > > > > is used by > > > > http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ > > > > I saw this while surfing and though that it > > might interest John P. It seemed to me to > > have a purpose similar to that of the UnixOS/2 > > build scripts. Maybe some part of it could > > be useful to UnixOS/2. > > I've had a quick look at this but don't really appreciate it's > significance... AIUI most Unix programs can be built from source simply by > running Configure and Make. I would like this to be the case for OS/2 > eventually too, although some already can, given the correct build > environment, so I don't think that assembling a collection of Makefiles, > as seems to be the case with GAR, is an improvement on the GNU Build > System which uses Autoconf and Automake. The whole point of the BSD ports is that customized makefiles are preferred to configure scripts. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:40:13 -0500 From: Vincent Marciante Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system John Poltorak wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:54:37PM -0500, Vincent Marciante wrote: > > Hello, > > > > http://www.lnx-bbc.org/garchitecture.html > I've had a quick look at this but don't really appreciate it's > significance... AIUI most Unix programs can be built from source simply by > running Configure and Make. I would like this to be the case for OS/2 > eventually too, although some already can, given the correct build > environment, so I don't think that assembling a collection of Makefiles, > as seems to be the case with GAR, is an improvement on the GNU Build > System which uses Autoconf and Automake. > > As I say, I only had the briefest of looks, me too > so if I have this all wrong, please correct me. I can't say that - I don't know much about it either. It seemed to deal with "repackaging" code that is available from various places on the net and UnixOS/2 is doing that also. It also seemed to be documented well. I'm glad that others on the list knew about it and could comment. -- Vinny **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:40:13 -0500 From: Vincent Marciante Subject: Re: Another (similar?) build script system John Poltorak wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:54:37PM -0500, Vincent Marciante wrote: > > Hello, > > > > http://www.lnx-bbc.org/garchitecture.html > I've had a quick look at this but don't really appreciate it's > significance... AIUI most Unix programs can be built from source simply by > running Configure and Make. I would like this to be the case for OS/2 > eventually too, although some already can, given the correct build > environment, so I don't think that assembling a collection of Makefiles, > as seems to be the case with GAR, is an improvement on the GNU Build > System which uses Autoconf and Automake. > > As I say, I only had the briefest of looks, me too > so if I have this all wrong, please correct me. I can't say that - I don't know much about it either. It seemed to deal with "repackaging" code that is available from various places on the net and UnixOS/2 is doing that also. It also seemed to be documented well. I'm glad that others on the list knew about it and could comment. -- Vinny **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:59:51 -0600 (CST) From: "xyzyx" Subject: Re: Ports On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:48:53 +1100 (EDT), IanM wrote: >http://os2ports.com/ /pub/os2/unix/xfree86/ports/internet/browswers "browswers" ... hehe. paul **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:59:51 -0600 (CST) From: "xyzyx" Subject: Re: Ports On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:48:53 +1100 (EDT), IanM wrote: >http://os2ports.com/ /pub/os2/unix/xfree86/ports/internet/browswers "browswers" ... hehe. paul