From: UnixOS2 Archive To: "UnixOS2 Archive" Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 04:25:48 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 211 ************************************************** Tuesday 07 May 2002 Number 211 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: CDDBD for OS/2 : Kris Steenhaut 2 Re: CDDBD for OS/2 : Kris Steenhaut 3 How does Mutt call Sendmail? : John Poltorak 4 Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? : csaba.raduly at sophos.com 5 Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? : John Poltorak 6 Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? : John Poltorak 7 Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? : csaba.raduly at sophos.com 8 Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? : Alexander Lapshin 9 Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? : Alexander Lapshin 10 Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? : Dave and Natalie" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:30:58 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: CDDBD for OS/2 John Poltorak schreef: > Anyone interested in trying CDDBD for OS/2 can get it here:- > > http:/www.maazl.de/project/misc/cddbd2.html > > If you don't know what this is, you can get details here:- > > http://www.freedb.org > After I went there I do know as less as before. What database is this about ??? > > -- > John -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 02:15:50 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: CDDBD for OS/2 Jeff Robinson schreef: > Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > > > John Poltorak schreef: > > > > > >>Anyone interested in trying CDDBD for OS/2 can get it here:- > >> > >>http:/www.maazl.de/project/misc/cddbd2.html > >> > >>If you don't know what this is, you can get details here:- > >> > >>http://www.freedb.org > >> > > > > > > After I went there I do know as less as before. What database is this about > > ??? > > > > > > The CDDB is the database that keeps associated "id numbers" of music > CD's along with info such as artist, album name, track names, etc. > Software can be written to query the CDDB and get all that info so you > can use it when you are playing/ripping and album. > OK. Thanks. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:52:30 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: How does Mutt call Sendmail? I don't know if anyone here uses MUTT, the mail reader on OS/2, but it is available here:- http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/mail/reader/muttos2.zip I've been using this version since it was released, but I was trying to figure out, the other day, how it spawned Sendmail to deliver mail. It does work, but I don't know how. I looked at the executable and can't find any references to sendmail and my ~/.muttrc does not contain any active references to Sendmail either so I'm mystified about how it does work. Maybe the executable is compressed so a string search doesn't find it... How do I tell if it is compressed? I suspect it isn't. -- John **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:52:54 +0100 From: csaba.raduly at sophos.com Subject: Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? On 08/05/2002 09:52:30 owner-os2-unix wrote: >I don't know if anyone here uses MUTT, the mail reader on OS/2, but it is >available here:- > > >http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/mail/reader/muttos2.zip > > >I've been using this version since it was released, but I was trying to >figure out, the other day, how it spawned Sendmail to deliver mail. It >does work, but I don't know how. I looked at the executable and can't find Use the source, Luke ! :-) Seriously, I would've thought that Mutt simply speaks SMTP with whatever host is configured. This might be localhost in your case, with sendmail either already running, or being started by inetd to service connections on the SMTP port (25 ?). Disclaimer: I'm guessing heavily here. I haven't seen the mutt sources, and don't know how the entire mail sending mechanism works (if it does :). However, I imagine it something like this: mutt --> SMTP server ...magic... "Internet" ...magic... POP server ---> Pine >any references to sendmail and my ~/.muttrc does not contain any >active references to Sendmail either so I'm mystified about how it does >work. Check /~.muttrc for SMTP settings -- Csaba Ráduly, Software Engineer Sophos Anti-Virus email: csaba.raduly at sophos.com http://www.sophos.com US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933 **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:05:14 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:52:54AM +0100, csaba.raduly at sophos.com wrote: > > On 08/05/2002 09:52:30 owner-os2-unix wrote: > > >I don't know if anyone here uses MUTT, the mail reader on OS/2, but it is > >available here:- > > > > > >http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/internet/mail/reader/muttos2.zip > > > > > >I've been using this version since it was released, but I was trying to > >figure out, the other day, how it spawned Sendmail to deliver mail. It > >does work, but I don't know how. I looked at the executable and can't find > > Use the source, Luke ! :-) The source does seem to include plenty of references to Sendmail, that's why I'm puzzled that I can't find any references in the executable. I thought there may be a hidden DLL which I had forgotten about, but there isn't. > Seriously, I would've thought that Mutt simply speaks SMTP with whatever > host is configured. This might be localhost in your case, with sendmail > either already running, or being started by inetd to service connections on > the SMTP port (25 ?). > > Disclaimer: I'm guessing heavily here. I haven't seen the mutt sources, and > don't know how the entire mail sending mechanism works (if it does :). > However, I imagine it something like this: > > > mutt --> SMTP server ...magic... "Internet" ...magic... POP server ---> > Pine It's more like mutt --> sendmail --> SMTP server The SMTP server can be local or remote. The SMTP server is the final destination. How the recipient finally gets to read it is up to him, but constitutes part of the local delivery mechanism. Just forget the Internet, it's only TCP/IP and there's no magic, just some very clever people who designed how these things should work, a long time ago. Mutt is essentially like a file manager for mail files. It uses an external text editor for composing emails and provides a wrapper for sendmail. In its simplest form you can simply send an email from the command line just by using sendmail:- sendmail RECIPIENT -f SENDER >any references to sendmail and my ~/.muttrc does not contain any > >active references to Sendmail either so I'm mystified about how it does > >work. > > Check /~.muttrc for SMTP settings I have done but there isn't anything -- John **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:06:16 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:01:52PM +0300, Alexander Lapshin wrote: > John Poltorak wrote: > > Mutt is essentially like a file manager for mail files. It uses an > > external text editor for composing emails and provides a wrapper for > > sendmail. In its simplest form you can simply send an email from the > > command line just by using sendmail:- > > > > sendmail RECIPIENT -f SENDER > try: > > sendmail -f SENDER RECIPIENT1 RECIPIENT2 [RECIPIENTx] -- > (c)ALex -- John **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:19:42 +0100 From: csaba.raduly at sophos.com Subject: Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? On 08/05/2002 14:05:14 owner-os2-unix wrote: [snip] >Just forget the >Internet, it's only TCP/IP and there's no magic, just some very clever >people who designed how these things should work, a long time ago. > I think that qualifies as "magic" :-) -- Csaba Ráduly, Software Engineer Sophos Anti-Virus email: csaba.raduly at sophos.com http://www.sophos.com US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933 **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:01:52 +0300 From: Alexander Lapshin Subject: Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? John Poltorak wrote: > Mutt is essentially like a file manager for mail files. It uses an > external text editor for composing emails and provides a wrapper for > sendmail. In its simplest form you can simply send an email from the > command line just by using sendmail:- > > sendmail RECIPIENT -f SENDER Subject: Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? John Poltorak wrote: > > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:01:52PM +0300, Alexander Lapshin wrote: > > John Poltorak wrote: > > > Mutt is essentially like a file manager for mail files. It uses an > > > external text editor for composing emails and provides a wrapper for > > > sendmail. In its simplest form you can simply send an email from the > > > command line just by using sendmail:- > > > > > > sendmail RECIPIENT -f SENDER > > > try: > > > > sendmail -f SENDER RECIPIENT1 RECIPIENT2 [RECIPIENTx] > Why ? Because addressees should be specified by the last. -- (c)ALex **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:00:16 -0800 From: "Dave and Natalie" Subject: Re: How does Mutt call Sendmail? On Wed, 8 May 2002 09:52:30 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > >I've been using this version since it was released, but I was trying to >figure out, the other day, how it spawned Sendmail to deliver mail. It >does work, but I don't know how. I looked at the executable and can't find >any references to sendmail and my ~/.muttrc does not contain any >active references to Sendmail either so I'm mystified about how it does >work. > Muttos2 is compiled with the option SENDMAIL="c:/tcpip/bin/sendmail.exe". Try mutt -v to see compile options. Interestingly I notice that mutts-1.3.99 configure script finds my sendmail in /usr/sbin even though it is in e:\tcpip\bin. >Maybe the executable is compressed so a string search doesn't find it... >How do I tell if it is compressed? I suspect it isn't. > Try uncompressing with lxlite. Also look for command line options, copyrights, etc. I don't think that these would be readable in a compressed file. Dave