From: UnixOS2 Archive To: "UnixOS2 Archive" Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:20:40 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [UnixOS2_Archive] No. 176 ************************************************** Tuesday 26 March 2002 Number 176 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Boost. Battle II. : Henry Sobotka 2 Re: Boost. Battle II. : Stephen Amadei 3 Re: New binary package for GNU Bash 2.05a and GNU Texinfo 4.1 : Jun Sawataishi 4 Re: New binary package for GNU Bash 2.05a and GNU Texinfo 4.1 : Jun Sawataishi 5 Re: Boost. Battle II. : Henry Sobotka 6 Re: Amending $PATH via called script : Jun Sawataishi 7 Re: Boost. Battle II. : Stephen Amadei 8 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Christian Hennecke" 9 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Christian Hennecke" 10 Re: Boost. Battle II. : Henry Sobotka 11 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Henry Sobotka 12 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Henry Sobotka 13 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Edwin =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnthner?= 14 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Edwin =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnthner?= 15 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 16 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 17 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : John Poltorak 18 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 19 FLAC : John Poltorak 20 Re: terminfo : Thomas Dickey 21 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 22 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Henry Sobotka 23 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 24 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Brian Havard" 25 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Edwin =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnthner?= 26 Unixos2.org mirror ? : John Poltorak 27 terminfo : John Poltorak 28 iconv.a : John Poltorak 29 Re: iconv.a : Dave and Natalie" 30 Re: Linux API support layer driver (Freeware) : John Poltorak 31 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : IanM" 32 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Michael Taylor 33 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 34 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 35 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : John Poltorak 36 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Michael Taylor 37 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Christian Hennecke" 38 Re: Unixos2.org mirror ? : T.Sikora" 39 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Michael Taylor 40 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : James Cannon 41 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Michael Taylor 42 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Christian Hennecke" 43 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Dave and Natalie" 44 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Dave and Natalie" 45 Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio : Michael Taylor 46 Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) : Dave and Natalie" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:10:30 -0500 From: Henry Sobotka Subject: Re: Boost. Battle II. Stephen Amadei wrote: > > The compile is now complaining about 'cout' and 'endl' being "undeclared > in namespace 'std'" and "*blah blah* is private *blah blah* within this > context". > > I've seen people mention these errors under gcc 2.95.3, but heard they > where fixed in 3.0.x... I have a feeling I am missing an environmental > variable or something, and that g++ is using the wrong files. Quite possibly the latter. Try unsetting CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH. I don't know the search order for certain, but believe that with it blanked out g++ will first read the new C++ headers, and only then fall back on emx/include/cpp. Note too that with 3.0.x it's -lstdcxx instead of -lstdcpp for linkage. h~ **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:42:52 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei Subject: Re: Boost. Battle II. On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Henry Sobotka wrote: > Quite possibly the latter. Try unsetting CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH. I don't > know the search order for certain, but believe that with it blanked out > g++ will first read the new C++ headers, and only then fall back on > emx/include/cpp. Ouch... it didn't like that. Getting a bunch of "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isalnum' not declared" "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isalpha' not declared" "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `iscntrl' not declared" "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isdigit' not declared" "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isgraph' not declared" ... and still getting "*blah blah* is private *blah blah* within this context" > Note too that with 3.0.x it's -lstdcxx instead of -lstdcpp for linkage. Ugh. I haven't gotten that far, but I am probably going to have a problem with that since I don't have direct control over this Jam monster. Luckily it prints out most of the actions it tries, so I do alot of steps by hand. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Dandy.NET! CTO Atlantic City, NJ **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:08:46 +0900 From: Jun Sawataishi Subject: Re: New binary package for GNU Bash 2.05a and GNU Texinfo 4.1 At Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:00:28 +0000, John Poltorak wrote about scrsize.c included in less-374.tar.gz > I don't know who provided the OS/2 Makefile for LESS, but it > includes this line:- > scrsize.exe: scrsize.c > ${CC} ${CFLAGS} -D__ST_MT_ERRNO__ -s -Zmtd -lX11 $< > Does this mean that if I have the correct X11 libraries it will build and > work properly? Surely, yes. > BTW I don't see any reference to X11 in my copy of scrsize.... ?? I have checked less-374.tar.gz. scrsize.c reads: /* * This program is used to determine the screen dimensions on OS/2 systems. * Adapted from code written by Kyosuke Tokoro (NBG01720 at nifty.ne.jp). */ Kyosuke Tokoro is Mr. Altair (Handle name) whom I have mentioned before. ............. #include #include Apparently, scrsize requires X11 related C include and C library files. To make scrsize.exe, correct Makefile.o2e(for emx/gcc). scrsize.exe: scrsize.c - ${CC} ${CFLAGS} -D__ST_MT_ERRNO__ -s -Zmtd -lX11 $< + ${CC} ${CFLAGS} -I${X11ROOT}/XFree86/include -D__ST_MT_ERRNO__ \ + -s -Zmtd -L${X11ROOT}/XFree86/lib -lX11 $< # OS/2 is not a question, it's a solution. # SAWATAISHI Jun # http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~vtgf3mpr/ **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:15:54 +0900 From: Jun Sawataishi Subject: Re: New binary package for GNU Bash 2.05a and GNU Texinfo 4.1 At Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:00:28 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > I don't know who provided the OS/2 Makefile for LESS, but it > includes this line:- > > scrsize.exe: scrsize.c > ${CC} ${CFLAGS} -D__ST_MT_ERRNO__ -s -Zmtd -lX11 $< > > Does this mean that if I have the correct X11 libraries it will build and > work properly? Yes > BTW I don't see any reference to X11 in my copy of scrsize.... scrsize.c reads: /* * This program is used to determine the screen dimensions on OS/2 systems. * Adapted from code written by Kyosuke Tokoro (NBG01720 at nifty.ne.jp). Kyosuke Tokoro is Mr. Altair whom I have mentioned before. #include Apparently, scrsize requires X11 library files. BTW, Makefile.o2e must be corrected to compile scrsize.exe. ${CC} ${CFLAGS} -I${X11ROOT}/XFree86/include -D__ST_MT_ERRNO__ \ -s -Zmtd -L${X11ROOT}/XFree86/lib -lX11 $< # OS/2 is not a question, it's a solution. # SAWATAISHI Jun # http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~vtgf3mpr/ **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:17:27 -0500 From: Henry Sobotka Subject: Re: Boost. Battle II. Stephen Amadei wrote: > > Ouch... it didn't like that. Getting a bunch of > > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isalnum' not declared" > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isalpha' not declared" > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `iscntrl' not declared" > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isdigit' not declared" > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isgraph' not declared" > ... It's probably not finding ctype.h. Try setting CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH to just [drive]:/emx/include. > and still getting "*blah blah* is private *blah blah* within this context" Hard to say without details. If "blah blah" is specific to the Boost code, it may need fixing to meet gcc 3.x's level of C++ standard compliance. h~ **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:42:18 +0900 From: Jun Sawataishi Subject: Re: Amending $PATH via called script At Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:42:53 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > Is there any way to amend the path via a called script? > I have a path /abc;/def; in script P. > I want to be able to amend that path to /pqr;/abc;/def; by calling > an external script R. > Is there any way to do this? > I can amend it within R but can't find any way to change the original > environment. I've tried 'export PATH' but that didn't work. You can't, I think. Child process can never change env. vars. of parent process. How about use a script like this. #!sh #addpath.sh PATH=`cmd.exe /c "echo %PATH%" | sed -e 's at \\\\ at / at g'` echo "export PATH="\'"$1;$PATH"\'> tmp.tmp $ addpath.sh x:/foo $ . tmp.tmp Now PATH=x:/foo;............... Or, if you use bash or ksh, add a new function to add path in your ~/kshrc.ksh or ~/.bashrc. function addpath { if [ ! -d "$1" ] then echo "Invalid path: $1" return 1 fi PATH=`cmd.exe /c "echo %PATH%" | sed -e 's at \\\\ at / at g'` echo "export PATH="\'"$1;$PATH"\'> $TMP/newpath.tmp . $TMP/newpath.tmp rm -f $TMP/newpath.tmp } Using shell function, PATH can be changed. # OS/2 is not a question, it's a solution. # SAWATAISHI Jun # http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~vtgf3mpr/ **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:57:46 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei Subject: Re: Boost. Battle II. On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Henry Sobotka wrote: > Stephen Amadei wrote: > > > > Ouch... it didn't like that. Getting a bunch of > > > > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isalnum' not declared" > > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isalpha' not declared" > > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `iscntrl' not declared" > > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isdigit' not declared" > > "/emx/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cctype.h: `isgraph' not declared" > > ... > > It's probably not finding ctype.h. Try setting CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH to > just [drive]:/emx/include. I'll try that. Machine currently rebooting due to frustration. ;-) I noticed the GCC V.3 libraries put alot of files in g++-v3 that look like .h files, but they have no extension. What's with that? > > and still getting "*blah blah* is private *blah blah* within this context" > > Hard to say without details. If "blah blah" is specific to the Boost > code, it may need fixing to meet gcc 3.x's level of C++ standard > compliance. Well, to read boost.org's website, you'd think their code is going to be integrated into the C++ standard libraries soon. The interesting thing about the code in question is that the notes in the .hpp file seem to indicate it's a uncopyable class... but why would a library install try to compile code not intended to compile? ;-) ----Steve Stephen Amadei Dandy.NET! CTO Atlantic City, NJ **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:09:27 +0100 (CET) From: "Christian Hennecke" Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:13:32 +0100, Mikkel C. Simonsen wrote: >> For once the BBC is not going wholeheartedly after a Windows solution and >> is looking at using Ogg Vorbis for streaming audio. See:- >> >> http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ >> >> Does anyone know how I can listen to any of these broadcasts? > >Have you asked dink? Dink won't help you. I once asked him if he would include Ogg Vorbis support in z! and he refused. You could try to use PM123 with the Ogg Vorbis plug-in. Christian Hennecke **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:42:38 +0100 (CET) From: "Christian Hennecke" Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:57:17 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >For once the BBC is not going wholeheartedly after a Windows solution and >is looking at using Ogg Vorbis for streaming audio. See:- > >http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ > >Does anyone know how I can listen to any of these broadcasts? IIRC normally you should be able to use "ogg123 -d dart ", but this feature seems to be broken. Christian Hennecke **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:52:50 -0500 From: Henry Sobotka Subject: Re: Boost. Battle II. Stephen Amadei wrote: > > I noticed the GCC V.3 libraries put alot of files in g++-v3 that > look like .h files, but they have no extension. What's with that? Dropping the .h is ANSI-C++ standard, e.g. see http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/ansi/hfiles.html. > The interesting thing about the code in question is that the notes in the > .hpp file seem to indicate it's a uncopyable class... but why would a > library install try to compile code not intended to compile? ;-) Not sure I understand. A class that can't be copied because cloning is privatized is compilable (assuming ok code and compiler). In standard C++, private is the default. foo has to be specified as public to access it, foo* is access. h~ **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:27:38 -0500 From: Henry Sobotka Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) Edwin Günthner wrote: > > Excellent. You are going to drop it at Hobbes? Yes. It'll most likely be a 5.7.3 since that's effectively the beta for 5.8.0 due in April or May. > (Although I fear that might not be necessary - to me it looks like > I am the only guy on this planet [maybe except for yourself] who is > using your perl builds. They are available for months now; and I am > the first one to figure out that fork() doesn't work ...) I think it's more a case of fork() being a longstanding bête noire on OS/2 such that noone (myself included) expects it to work, so we all avoid it like the plague. Now that I see the crossed wires between the build instructions and forkability, I may even grow a few pubic hairs. > One question: your readme said, that you are building your stuff using > optimization level O6 or so - isn't that dangerous? Back in old days > at university people told me to never go "above" O2 since you wouldn't > know what might happen to your code. With pgcc, -O6 is considered the highest safe level, -O7 is for the daring. With plain gcc, -O3 is the ceiling and -O2 is safe. h~ **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:40:18 -0500 From: Henry Sobotka Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) IanM wrote: > > I was using Henry's PERL builds but had a problem, and due to lack of > time had to switch back to my earlier version as I'm away from home > until the 13th April. > > So... please put it on hobbes or let us know when you do release new > versions or fixed versions. Will do. If the problem was SIGILL, that's due to my mentally flipping the -mcpu and -march flags. I've put replacements at http://www.elzahir.org/perl/. They're just the binaries, intended to overwrite the original installation. Haven't put them on Hobbes because the reports have been few and far between, and I thought it would only create confusion (people blindly downloading them and reporting failures because everything except the binaries is missing). h~ **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:09:11 +0100 From: Edwin =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnthner?= Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) Hi John, > What is it you are running? Perl 5.6.1 and 5.7.2 build by Henry; downloaded from Hobbes. **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:14:21 +0100 From: Edwin =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnthner?= Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) Henry Sobotka wrote: > > Yes. I should get a chance to tackle it over the upcoming long weekend. Excellent. You are going to drop it at Hobbes? (Although I fear that might not be necessary - to me it looks like I am the only guy on this planet [maybe except for yourself] who is using your perl builds. They are available for months now; and I am the first one to figure out that fork() doesn't work ...) One question: your readme said, that you are building your stuff using optimization level O6 or so - isn't that dangerous? Back in old days at university people told me to never go "above" O2 since you wouldn't know what might happen to your code. regards, edwin **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:20:09 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:55:34PM +1000, Brian Havard wrote: > You can try ogg123 though which does have streaming support. An example would be nice... I can't get it working with any of the URLs here:- http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/#live > -- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > | Brian Havard | "He is not the messiah! | > | brianh at kheldar.apana.org.au | He's a very naughty boy!" - Life of Brian | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- John **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:24:02 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 03:43:22PM -0800, Dave and Natalie wrote: > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:57:17 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > >For once the BBC is not going wholeheartedly after a Windows solution and > >is looking at using Ogg Vorbis for streaming audio. See:- > > > >http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ > > > >Does anyone know how I can listen to any of these broadcasts? > > Goto http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/ for an OS/2 solution. Just tried. MP3 works OK but I can't Ogg Vorbis Streaming Audio working. Since it is integrated into MMOS2 then presumably PLAY should work... If anyone has it working, can you give me a command line to try? > Dave > -- John **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:29:31 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 05:00:28PM -0800, James Cannon wrote: > Hi John, > > Maybe I should first start off with getting pdksh > installed. Hobbes has one that is out of date. Which > one do you recommend? The most recent one is here:- ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/os2/pdksh-5.2.14-bin-2.zip > TIA > ===== > Sincerely, > James Cannon -- John **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:22:20 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:45:24PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > It is explained here > > http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/MMIOMP3/stream.html Yes, I read that but I still can't get it running. It doesn't specifically say whether Streaming Ogg Vorbis is supported. Do you have it working? > -- > Regards, > Mick -- John **= Email 19 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:42:04 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: FLAC Anyone heard of FLAC? FLAC stands for Free Lossless Audio Codec. Grossly oversimplified, FLAC is similar to MP3, but lossless. The FLAC project consists of: * the stream format * libFLAC, which implements reference encoders and decoders * flac, a command-line wrapper around libFLAC to encode and decode .flac files * input plugins for various music players (Winamp, XMMS, and more in the works) See:- http://flac.sourceforge.net/ It mentions:- FLAC compiles on many platforms: most Unixes (Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OS X), Windows, BeOS, and OS/2. There are build systems for autoconf/automake, MSVC, Watcom C, and Project Builder. Anyone know about the OS/2 version? -- John **= Email 20 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:12:24 -0500 From: Thomas Dickey Subject: Re: terminfo On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:30:06PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > I've just run another build for NCURSES and everything seems to have > built and instlled properly apart from the creation of the terminfo > database... > > There is an error msg:- > > > \SHLIB.: tic.exe not found > ? tic could not build /usr/local/share/terminfo > > > > However tic was actually built, but probably isn't on the PATH. Is this > where the Makefile expects to find it? the shlib script isn't where the problem would be (it's setting environment variables that may be needed to force the newly built tic to use the same shared libraries). run_tic.sh, up a level, tries adding the local ../progs to the $PATH, to ensure it runs the most recently built tic. Probably somewhere in that the shell interpreter is getting confused. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net **= Email 21 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:20:19 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:30:10PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > Can you listen to Radio 1? Are Steve Wright, John Peel and Tony > Blackburn still on Radio 1 (it is 21 years since I left > England and I haven't been back yet). I don't think you would want to listen to Radio 1 these days - it is for young people you know :-)... The stuff on Radio 1 21 years ago is on Radio 2 now. I hear Steve Wright on the World Service from time to time, John Peel has a regular (non-music) programme on Radio 4 and Tony Blackburn left many years ago - probably to Capital Radio... > -- > Regards, > Mick -- John **= Email 22 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:23:14 -0500 From: Henry Sobotka Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) Edwin Günthner wrote: > > Just btw: the reason I was using the fork() was because I wanted to > test a non-blocking socket for a pipe. Do you know if that will work on > OS/2? Sockets and pipes generally work as expected, so should be ok. h~ **= Email 23 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:36:45 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:05:25PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > Yep, the webpage says it doesn't support support the shoutcast type streaming > > Quote: > > Caveats > > Some URIs use some sort of ICY protocol (SHOUTcast?) despite the fact that they begin with  http . > The Plug-in Pack doesn't support this protocol. Have you tried Ogg Vorbis for OS/2 from? :- http://silk.apana.org.au/vorbis/ I can't work out if ogg123 will do what I want. Here's the help screen:- Device: OS/2 audio driver output Author: Brian Havard Comments: Outputs audio to the OS/2 DART interface. ogg123 from vorbis-tools 1.0rc3 by the Xiphophorus Team (http://www.xiph.org/) Usage: ogg123 [] ... -h, --help this help -V, --version display Ogg123 version -d, --device=d uses 'd' as an output device Possible devices are ('*'=live, ' at '=file): null* wav at raw at au at dart* -f, --file=filename Set the output filename for a previously specified file device (with -d). -k n, --skip n Skip the first 'n' seconds -o, --device-option=k:v passes special option k with value v to previously specified device (with -d). See man page for more info. -b n, --buffer n use an input buffer of 'n' kilobytes -p n, --prebuffer n load n% of the input buffer before playing -v, --verbose display progress and other status information -q, --quiet don't display anything (no title) -x n, --nth play every 'n'th block -y n, --ntimes repeat every played block 'n' times -z, --shuffle shuffle play ogg123 will skip to the next song on SIGINT (Ctrl-C); two SIGINTs within s milliseconds make ogg123 terminate. -l, --delay=s set s [milliseconds] (default 500). I've tried, but without success so far... > > -- > Regards, > Mick -- John **= Email 24 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:55:34 +1000 (EST) From: "Brian Havard" Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:09:27 +0100 (CET), Christian Hennecke wrote: >On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:13:32 +0100, Mikkel C. Simonsen wrote: > >>> For once the BBC is not going wholeheartedly after a Windows solution and >>> is looking at using Ogg Vorbis for streaming audio. See:- >>> >>> http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ >>> >>> Does anyone know how I can listen to any of these broadcasts? >> >>Have you asked dink? > >Dink won't help you. I once asked him if he would include Ogg Vorbis >support in z! and he refused. > >You could try to use PM123 with the Ogg Vorbis plug-in. No, that won't work. PM123 plugins have to implement streaming support themselves & the vorbis plugin doesn't. You can try ogg123 though which does have streaming support. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ | Brian Havard | "He is not the messiah! | | brianh at kheldar.apana.org.au | He's a very naughty boy!" - Life of Brian | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ **= Email 25 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:09:34 +0100 From: Edwin =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnthner?= Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) Henry Sobotka wrote: > Yes. It'll most likely be a 5.7.3 since that's effectively the beta for > 5.8.0 due in April or May. Just btw: the reason I was using the fork() was because I wanted to test a non-blocking socket for a pipe. Do you know if that will work on OS/2? > I think it's more a case of fork() being a longstanding bête noire on > OS/2 such that noone (myself included) expects it to work, so we all Hmm. Is there anything that is not a "longstanding bête noire" that comes from Unix and should run on OS/2? ;-) > With pgcc, -O6 is considered the highest safe level, -O7 is for the > daring. With plain gcc, -O3 is the ceiling and -O2 is safe. Thx for the information. **= Email 26 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:07:29 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Unixos2.org mirror ? It appears that a number of people are having problems connecting to unixos2.com, so I guess if the site is functioning normally, we ought to think about setting up a mirror site... -- John **= Email 27 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:30:06 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: terminfo I've just run another build for NCURSES and everything seems to have built and instlled properly apart from the creation of the terminfo database... There is an error msg:- \SHLIB.: tic.exe not found ? tic could not build /usr/local/share/terminfo However tic was actually built, but probably isn't on the PATH. Is this where the Makefile expects to find it? -- John **= Email 28 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:33:50 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: iconv.a Where can I find iconv.a ? Gettext seems to expect it. -- John **= Email 29 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:54:28 -0800 From: "Dave and Natalie" Subject: Re: iconv.a On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:33:50 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > >Where can I find iconv.a ? > >Gettext seems to expect it. Distribution: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libiconv/libiconv-1.7.tar.gz ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/gnu/libiconv-1.7.tar.gz Homepage: http://clisp.cons.org/~haible/packages-libiconv.html I can't remember getting it but it is in my source dircetory and I must of built and installed it. There is a makefile.os2 included. Dave **= Email 30 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:28:01 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Linux API support layer driver (Freeware) On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 11:21:36PM -0500, Stepan Kazakov wrote: > LXAPI32: Linux API support layer driver (Freeware) > http://www.nord-com.net/s.milcke/lxapi_en.htm I've been trying every release of this for the last couple of months and keep getting a Trap E when running the Radio app with my Win-TV card. CoolFM works fine though... > -- > madded. [Red Hot Chili Hackers] -- John **= Email 31 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:26:26 +1100 (EDT) From: "IanM" Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) Hi Edwin >> Yes. I should get a chance to tackle it over the upcoming long weekend. >Excellent. You are going to drop it at Hobbes? >(Although I fear that might not be necessary - to me it looks like >I am the only guy on this planet [maybe except for yourself] who is >using your perl builds. They are available for months now; and I am >the first one to figure out that fork() doesn't work ...) I was using Henry's PERL builds but had a problem, and due to lack of time had to switch back to my earlier version as I'm away from home until the 13th April. So... please put it on hobbes or let us know when you do release new versions or fixed versions. Your work is appreciated Henry :) Thanks Cheers IanM http://www.os2site.com/ **= Email 32 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:45:24 +1100 From: Michael Taylor Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio It is explained here http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/MMIOMP3/stream.html John Poltorak wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 03:43:22PM -0800, Dave and Natalie wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:57:17 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > > > > >For once the BBC is not going wholeheartedly after a Windows solution and > > >is looking at using Ogg Vorbis for streaming audio. See:- > > > > > >http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ > > > > > >Does anyone know how I can listen to any of these broadcasts? > > > > Goto http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/ for an OS/2 solution. > > Just tried. > > MP3 works OK but I can't Ogg Vorbis Streaming Audio working. > > Since it is integrated into MMOS2 then presumably PLAY should work... > > If anyone has it working, can you give me a command line to try? > > > Dave > > > > -- > John -- Regards, Mick -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Taylor miket at pcug.org.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/miket5au/ http://users.bigpond.net.au/miket5au ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 33 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:00:00 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:30:10PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > Can you listen to Radio 1? Try this:- ogg123 http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1_high.ogg Just got it working. The sound quality is great, but it takes up 100% CPU here. It's almost impossible to get to the Window List > -- > Regards, > Mick -- John **= Email 34 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:56:56 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:43:39PM +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:00:00 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > >Try this:- > > > >ogg123 http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1_high.ogg > > > >Just got it working. > > It keeps playing the same half second or so. What kind of CPU do you > have? I'm using a 300MHz ThinkPad. It seem to peg CPU at 100%. BTW I also have an ADSL connection, I can't imagine it would sound very good without that. > Christian Hennecke -- John **= Email 35 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:05:01 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:56:56PM +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:43:39PM +0100, Christian Hennecke wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:00:00 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > >Try this:- > > > > > >ogg123 http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1_high.ogg > > > > > >Just got it working. > > > > It keeps playing the same half second or so. What kind of CPU do you > > have? > > I'm using a 300MHz ThinkPad. It seem to peg CPU at 100%. > I just tried this which is a lower quality:- ogg123 http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1_low.ogg CPU usage is now almost negligible. > > Christian Hennecke -- John **= Email 36 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:30:10 +1100 From: Michael Taylor Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio John Poltorak wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:45:24PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > > It is explained here > > > > http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/MMIOMP3/stream.html > > Yes, I read that but I still can't get it running. It doesn't > specifically say whether Streaming Ogg Vorbis is supported. > > Do you have it working? It does say it supports streaming. I have not installed it yet. Can you listen to Radio 1? Are Steve Wright, John Peel and Tony Blackburn still on Radio 1 (it is 21 years since I left England and I haven't been back yet). -- Regards, Mick -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Taylor miket at pcug.org.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/miket5au/ http://users.bigpond.net.au/miket5au ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 37 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:43:39 +0100 (CET) From: "Christian Hennecke" Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:00:00 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Try this:- > >ogg123 http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1_high.ogg > >Just got it working. It keeps playing the same half second or so. What kind of CPU do you have? Christian Hennecke **= Email 38 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:47:10 -0500 From: "T.Sikora" Subject: Re: Unixos2.org mirror ? John Poltorak wrote: > It appears that a number of people are having problems connecting to > unixos2.com, so I guess if the site is functioning normally, we ought to > think about setting up a mirror site... > > I just doubled the limit for anonymous users. I been putting off increasing the bandwidth. I'll make arrangements to double it tommorrow. OS/2 is more popular than I thought. -- -- Ted Sikora tsikora at unixos2.com http://unixos2.com **= Email 39 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:54:15 +1100 From: Michael Taylor Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio Okay - installed it. The *.m3u didn't work however I did a wget of the links at BBC and the file contains a URL. This succeeded in playing something: mppm http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1_low.ogg I don't know if this is a stream or a single file. ogg123 didn't work with the *.m3u either. Michael Taylor wrote: > > John Poltorak wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:45:24PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > > > It is explained here > > > > > > http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/MMIOMP3/stream.html > > > > Yes, I read that but I still can't get it running. It doesn't > > specifically say whether Streaming Ogg Vorbis is supported. > > > > Do you have it working? > > It does say it supports streaming. I have not installed it yet. > Can you listen to Radio 1? Are Steve Wright, John Peel and Tony > Blackburn still on Radio 1 (it is 21 years since I left > England and I haven't been back yet). > > -- > Regards, > Mick > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Taylor miket at pcug.org.au > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/miket5au/ > http://users.bigpond.net.au/miket5au > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Regards, Mick -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Taylor miket at pcug.org.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/miket5au/ http://users.bigpond.net.au/miket5au ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 40 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: James Cannon Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) Got it! Thanks. When will it be uploaded to Hobbes? --- John Poltorak wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 05:00:28PM -0800, James > Cannon wrote: > > Hi John, > > > > Maybe I should first start off with getting pdksh > > installed. Hobbes has one that is out of date. > Which > > one do you recommend? > > The most recent one is here:- > > ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/os2/pdksh-5.2.14-bin-2.zip > > > > > TIA > > ===== > > Sincerely, > > James Cannon > > > -- > John > > ===== Sincerely, James Cannon Using OS/2 Warp in the beautiful Wine Country of Northern California! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ **= Email 41 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:05:25 +1100 From: Michael Taylor Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio Yep, the webpage says it doesn't support support the shoutcast type streaming Quote: Caveats Some URIs use some sort of ICY protocol (SHOUTcast?) despite the fact that they begin with  http . The Plug-in Pack doesn't support this protocol. Michael Taylor wrote: > > John Poltorak wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:45:24PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > > > It is explained here > > > > > > http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~roconnor/MMIOMP3/stream.html > > > > Yes, I read that but I still can't get it running. It doesn't > > specifically say whether Streaming Ogg Vorbis is supported. > > > > Do you have it working? > > It does say it supports streaming. I have not installed it yet. > Can you listen to Radio 1? Are Steve Wright, John Peel and Tony > Blackburn still on Radio 1 (it is 21 years since I left > England and I haven't been back yet). > > -- > Regards, > Mick > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Taylor miket at pcug.org.au > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/miket5au/ > http://users.bigpond.net.au/miket5au > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Regards, Mick -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Taylor miket at pcug.org.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/miket5au/ http://users.bigpond.net.au/miket5au ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 42 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:07:09 +0100 (CET) From: "Christian Hennecke" Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:56:56 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >> It keeps playing the same half second or so. What kind of CPU do you >> have? > >I'm using a 300MHz ThinkPad. It seem to peg CPU at 100%. AMD K6-III 400 here. >BTW I also have an ADSL connection, I can't imagine it would sound very >good without that. That shouldn't be the problem as I've good something faster here. Well, it can be faster, but who knows what the connection to that particular server is like. Christian Hennecke **= Email 43 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:21:27 -0800 From: "Dave and Natalie" Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:34:01 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Configure -des -D prefix=c:/usr/lib/perl 2>&1 | tee configure.log >make 2>&1 | tee make.log >make test 2>&1 | tee test.log >make install > >What seems to be crucial is having the correct utils in the path. It >appears that having the wrong version of TR can trip you up. You probably >also need to have PDKSH's sh.exe in \usr\bin or \bin. I have it in both >just to be sure. Well my first attempt goes like this [X:\usr\src\perl-5.6.1]sh Configure -des -D prefix=c:/usr/lib/perl 2>&1 | tee configure.log (I see you are using the Korn shell. Some ksh's blow up on Configure., mainly on older exotic systems. If yours does, try the Bourne shell instead.) Configure.[1072]: internal error: alloc: cannot re-allocate At this point my swap file was 300032 Kb, which is as big as it ever has been Going to try it with ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/os2/pdksh-5.2.14-bin-2.zip next. Dave ps all it was using was x:/usr/bin/sh **= Email 44 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:46:55 -0800 From: "Dave and Natalie" Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:21:27 -0800, Dave and Natalie wrote: > >Well my first attempt goes like this >[X:\usr\src\perl-5.6.1]sh Configure -des -D prefix=c:/usr/lib/perl 2>&1 | tee configure.log >(I see you are using the Korn shell. Some ksh's blow up on Configure., >mainly on older exotic systems. If yours does, try the Bourne shell instead.) >Configure.[1072]: internal error: alloc: cannot re-allocate > >At this point my swap file was 300032 Kb, which is as big as it ever has been >Going to try it with ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/os2/pdksh-5.2.14-bin-2.zip next. >Dave >ps all it was using was x:/usr/bin/sh Using the newer pdksh has the same result. Amazing thing is that my computer is still usable even though its only got 32 Mb. Like to see any other operating system do that. I did have the perl build running at a high idle prioity. Dave **= Email 45 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:06:54 +1100 From: Michael Taylor Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis for Stream Audio John Poltorak wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:05:25PM +1100, Michael Taylor wrote: > > Yep, the webpage says it doesn't support support the shoutcast type streaming > > > > Quote: > > > > Caveats > > > > Some URIs use some sort of ICY protocol (SHOUTcast?) despite the fact that they begin with http . > > The Plug-in Pack doesn't support this protocol. > > Have you tried Ogg Vorbis for OS/2 from? :- > > http://silk.apana.org.au/vorbis/ > > I can't work out if ogg123 will do what I want. > Yes I tried that - it doesn't understand the *.m3u files either. -- Regards, Mick -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Taylor miket at pcug.org.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/miket5au/ http://users.bigpond.net.au/miket5au ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 46 ==========================** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:17:58 -0800 From: "Dave and Natalie" Subject: Re: Re: Building Perl.exe as a test of manhood ;-) On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:46:55 -0800, Dave and Natalie wrote: >On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:21:27 -0800, Dave and Natalie wrote: > >> >>Well my first attempt goes like this >>[X:\usr\src\perl-5.6.1]sh Configure -des -D prefix=c:/usr/lib/perl 2>&1 | tee configure.log >>(I see you are using the Korn shell. Some ksh's blow up on Configure., >>mainly on older exotic systems. If yours does, try the Bourne shell instead.) >>Configure.[1072]: internal error: alloc: cannot re-allocate >> >>At this point my swap file was 300032 Kb, which is as big as it ever has been >>Going to try it with ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/os2/pdksh-5.2.14-bin-2.zip next. >>Dave >>ps all it was using was x:/usr/bin/sh > >Using the newer pdksh has the same result. Amazing thing is that my computer is still usable even though its only got 32 Mb. Like to see any other operating system do that. I did have the perl build running at a high idle prioity. Well tried it with Mr Sawataishi's Bash copied to /usr/bin/sh and got a bit further, now it doesn't like my tr.exe. I'm using tr.exe ³ 17408³03-02-01³ 8:34p which is the recomened version of tr? Dave